You dunk on Lindsey whateverhernameis for tweeting bad things about leftists fomenting violent insurrection, but hopeful Balkanization and US collapse posts are downbeared. Are you just larping? Either the bourgeois state can be ended without violence or it cannot. I’m not here for enlightened centrism, folks.
leftists doing a violent insurrection is good, lindsey whomever can fuck off.
balkanization and collapse of the u.s is also good, from a global perspective at the very least, but will obviously suck for people in the u.s as there is no leftist vanguard to take power, so it will all end in water barons that probably keep bombing the middle east anyways.
its not really all that contradictory or “centrist” tbh, so idk what you want. :meow-coffee:
edit: to be clear, im all for u.s collapse. :amerikkka:
today on chapo.chat a poster discovers there are many different kinds of leftists here, we disagree with each other over pretty much everything, and will have struggle sessions over the tiniest things
but hopeful Balkanization and US collapse posts are downbeared
It’s acceleration, sure, but so is voting for Trump and that’s something I wouldn’t do. Balkanisation and civil war won’t just be an ideological question. We have 3800 active nuclear weapons in a country full of religious zealots, Nazis, and megacorporations. The rest of the military hardware risks being a repeat of when we left everything in Iraq and then found ISIS driving our vehicles. The left doesn’t stand to gain from wanton free-for-all violence and if war broke out today the main factions would be military, militias, and political parties. Where we stand to gain is in building up parallel structures to replace the empire’s role in peoples’ lives as it fails them. We’re the ones who really analyse and understand conditions so there is a lot of potential power in anticipating things becoming worse and having some sort of constructive alternative. Proactively encouraging or reveling in the violence, which will probably happen without us all the same, only sets you up to take a bullet for Joe Biden so that he can turn around and shoot you again in the leg. Fuck no I don’t want to fight in a civil war for that or defend the border from Kansas because they want water.
You’re right. I wish I were a true socialist like you. Go out and set the example by being shot in the stomach to defend a Walmart from Mormons because your county drafted you into a militia, but of course the people you’re being shot for don’t think you deserve treatment for that bullet without a six figure debt you’ll be working off with a colostomy bag. Maybe you’ll be one of the drone videos in /r/combatfootage as those drones fall into the hands of the federalists, the military factions, or the paramilitary militias they will hand their weapons to. They certainly won’t be handing them out to socialists and whatever your armament- I’ve got more or less the standard civilian kit minus body armour so those countless weapons and vehicles the paramilitary forces will have would be an upgrade- you’ll be facing the most powerful military in history and a population that’s North Korea for white people. All for the supremacy of a party that hates you, exactly as the ML party of Syria fell in with the regime to ensure their political minority survival. They’re not going to be adding a hammer and sickle to the flag when the dust settles and if collective desperation turned people into MLs then the entire population of Syria would have been forming a greater Rojava. They aren’t though. They’re split between those who flee, those who try to survive, those who were conscripted by any of the reactionary or local militias, and whose who bomb all of them. Maybe I’m not a principled socialist like you but my lib ass doesn’t consider any of those things a path to socialism.
north korea for white people.
ah yes, well known settler colonial slave state in control of a global empire which regularly bombs much smaller countries to the point they have no multi-floor structures standing and their population has been reduced by one fifth checks notes north korea
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Shattering the American empire is a good thing, you’re just a coward.
You have the same lame worldview as Chomsky at this point.
edit: To be more clear, the nukes are terrifying but all you’re arguing for is keeping them locked up behind 1 absurdly powerful office that’s being occupied by increasing awful right wing assholes. An office that keeps getting more power centered on it because congress is packed with people who hate the idea of actually doing the job.
Chapo has equal parts Liberal Larpers and people on the ground doing praxis. We all want to believe we’re the latter but most of us are the former. I’m not afraid to admit it.
However, the shit with lindsay ellis is just annoying chapo left gate keeping. Yeah she’s not making videos about the marxist analysis of the anastasia animated movie but she’s also not terrible. She’s just friends with folks like Hbomberguy so they get lumped in together.
Sure as shit a lot better than the rest of youtube.
