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libs out
I get that Tibet was a bad place before China was in charge, but how does this meme not reek of “Take up the Han man’s burden?”
I guess I still think there’s value in the idea of self-determination – that Tibetan communists should be in charge of Tibet.
Communist states should spread revolution and help establish new communist states elsewhere, but not rule over them.
"Secular leaders also did well. A notable example was the commander-in-chief of the Tibetan army, a member of the Dalai Lama’s lay Cabinet, who owned 4,000 square kilometers of land and 3,500 serfs. 12 Old Tibet has been misrepresented by some Western admirers as “a nation that required no police force because its people voluntarily observed the laws of karma.” 13 In fact. it had a professional army, albeit a small one, that served mainly as a gendarmerie for the landlords to keep order, protect their property, and hunt down runaway serfs.
Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeated rape, beginning at age nine. 14 The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers."
I think that the immediate liberation via Mao was quite important but I think you have a good point for a goal of the sustained revolution there.
The governor of the Tibetan Autonomous Region has been ethnically Tibetan since it was founded in 1965.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngapoi_Ngawang_Jigme Read this guys bio and tell me Tibet was overtaken by violent force against their will.
That sounds like nationalist brainworms.
There’s nothing inherently good and a whole lot that’s very much not good about people being politically organised into ethno-cultural nation states that control the resources those ethnocultural groups have managed to seize. The idea that they should be is a) kinda fashy (“ethnocultural” is often one hell of a dog whistle) b) not great from an individual or human rights standpoint, why should the location of your birth determine what laws you live under or what resources you have a right to? and c) if followed would lead to an unjust and uncommunist world even if each of those nation states were internally communist because among nation states resources would still be distributed arbitrarily and unequally, instead of on a from-each to each basis.
The real argument against it is what Robespierre said: “No one likes armed missionaries”.
edit: found the full quote: “The most extravagant idea that can take root in the head of a politician is to believe that it is enough for one people to invade a foreign people to make it adopt its laws and constitution. No one likes armed missionaries; and the first advice given by nature and prudence is to repel them as enemies.”
Oh dank that’s my post!
https://www.reddit.com/r/DankLeft/comments/juh5s2/but_they_miss_their_slaves/
Great link and post
“Until 1959, when the Dalai Lama last presided over Tibet, most of the arable land was still organized into manorial estates worked by serfs. These estates were owned by two social groups: the rich secular landlords and the rich theocratic lamas. Even a writer sympathetic to the old order allows that “a great deal of real estate belonged to the monasteries, and most of them amassed great riches.” Much of the wealth was accumulated “through active participation in trade, commerce, and money lending.”
Also interesting that the Dali Lama became a CIA plant and made millions off that relationship.
“In April 1999, along with Margaret Thatcher, Pope John Paul II, and the first George Bush, the Dalai Lama called upon the British government to release Augusto Pinochet, the former fascist dictator of Chile and a longtime CIA client who was visiting England. The Dalai Lama urged that Pinochet not be forced to go to Spain where he was wanted to stand trial for crimes against humanity.”
Yea real Buddhist of them.
“Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.”
“Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet”
