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China should counter by giving money and guns to cool socialists to destabilize America.

Edit: I have not received money or guns.

Did China just call me a lib?

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Just you wait, this is exactly what the democrats or probably just the Republicans will say once democrats are in power in the context of the BLM protests. That it’s just a Russian Chinese op and there’s no real issues in this country.___

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It’s complete insanity.

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Empire in decline moment

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Have you by any chance read the Foundation series?

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*trillions

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I would not consider it an utter failure in the context of how this relates to China. The same exact situation applies to Israel within the middle east, and with the war on drugs in Latin America.

It’s a geopolitical containment strategy, keep geographical parts of the world separate so that you remain the biggest player. Anyone who suggests this stuff isn’t working in the US/UK/Frances (the later two control Africa in a way the US does not) favor is foolish.

The hatred of Venezuela by the US isnt purely about socialism or oil but the fact that they wanted to unify all the Spanish speaking countries. They hated gadaffi and Saddam for similar reasons, and hate Iran for similar reasons. Russia and China hatred is different as is Cuba and NK hatred, but they’re all centered around geopolitical containment goals and nothing else.

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They can, easily. “China bad” is one of the most unifying opinions in the US right now, Trump would get some blowback just for being Trump but Biden could probably justify operation Liberate Xinjiang and have people cheering him on

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Serious posting, how do you criticize human rights abuses without supporting the imperial campaign? Is it just a devils bargain of the greater good being one that ignores suffering in order to prevent the greater suffering of a war with China? Because, I feel as though there must be a better option. But maybe I’m naive.

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You have to consider the audience and purpose of your criticism. Visible criticism is good on a forum that acts as a leftist pipeline, since imperialism is the portion of capitalist propaganda that most people coming in are least likely to have questioned (it’s unlikely to conflict with lived experience because it mostly happens somewhere else). Criticism is also good in the context of discussing what we should build instead of capitalism. Criticism is bad when it nudges people towards being complacent about imperial action.

Where are you posting and how, and which of those purposes are being reflected?

For this forum specifically, if the state department is pushing Uighur Camps Bad So China Bad then you should be replying, “Yeah that’s why we’re closing the ICE camps, Guantanam Bay, and private prisons when we take power.”

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My take on this is that saying anything to the effect of “both r bad” with regards to the US vs China divide on human rights abuses is one of the weakest non-positions one can take. It’s like taking no side, and can only really be said by someone who lives outside the sphere of influence of either state. If one is concerned with Chinese human rights abuses but living within the US/Europe/Anglo countries generally, then it is a total and utter waste of activist energy as China is not accountable to them, but their own country, and their own abuses (ICE concentration camps, shooting protesters, Guantanamo Bay, killing political dissenters, etc), absolutely are. You cannot hold China accountable, they are only accountable to their own people, and by and large they seem all right with it. It’s not really possible to “do both” as the US is still the stronger one in this relationship, so any action taken against China only helps to strengthen the empire.

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Doubt Trump would ever take it to blows, but I am sure Biden could be coerced to making this conflict hot.

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damn, first a senator admitted to coup-ing venezuela, now this

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Right? I think it’s partly that we’re looking harder, and partly that they can afford to be lazy.

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I’d say they are trying to reassure themselves into the comfort and safety that they have power. As the gates are being pounded on and the state is collapsing. If I didn’t think this is only the beginning.

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2 years from now: “US official admits that US forces are occupying war torn Greece and Italy in order to block further expansion of China’s One Belt One Road initiative”

Edit: Just noticed who that senior official is, and its’ Lawrence Wilkinson who’s been a critic of US foreign policy for a while. This is a bit of a let down as this means it’s not an admission by the current administration but at best a critique levied at the administration by a disgruntled official after his experience with the neo-cons in the bush administration.

That being said, it’s 100% the current thinking in the administration.

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I am surprised, the Ron Paul institute would have brought in such a warhawk to give a talk but I also think the Ron Pauls of the republican party are like a broken clock, only right twice a day.

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Ron Paul has been right about a lot of foreign policy stuff, not just in terms of war but soft power things like the federal reserve system and dollar hegemony.

I seriously don’t understand how someone can be that correct on these issues and not make the connection that capitalism has only ever worked under these sorts of frameworks.

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war torn … Italy

The Chinese are coming back for the noodles, Italy. It’s time to fuckin’ pay what you owe.

(Ackshually Marco Polo’s journey to China had nothing to do with pasta, that’s a myth made up by an American marketing firm first published in a publication called The Macaroni Journal to hawk more pasta. Once again - and as always: Death to America. Semolina noodles are more of an evolution from couscous, which are just semolina noodles with fewer steps.)

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It’s war torn since negotiations with those countries leaders broke down (the administration really wanted them to pull out of the One Belt One Road initiative), and the US and it’s remaining NATO allies, following in Obama’s footsteps from Syria decided to fund ISIS and ship them into these countries.

I mean I thought it was a pretty logical thing to do.

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