Leftists Vs Centrists Vs Right Wingers
Fuck it, I want this vote to happen now so I can see what all of the the idiots who support #ForceTheVote say when Nancy Pelosi has the cover to vote for it because it only takes 11 of the 18 Blue Dog Caucus memebers to kill the bill. Look guys, Nancy is a progressive, she voted for the bill but the Joe Liberman Caucus killed it, just like in 2009.
The baseline should be that they don’t vote for Pelosi. If their votes have any leverage and a deal can be made, use it for something with actual power behind it like a bill that could actually pass or powerful committee assignments, not a symbolic M4A floor vote that is doomed to fail.
You keep posting about this - why do you give a fuck? Even if it’s a pointless effort, how is it any sweat off your back? If you’re anti-electoralism - that’s fine, go do target-practice.
Nancy Pelosi has the cover to vote for it because it only takes 11 of the 18 Blue Dog Caucus memebers to kill the bill
Nobody expects it to go through - we want to see them kill it. We want them to show who they are. “Voted against healthcare in the middle of a pandemic, against what 85% of Democrats want” - content for the ads for leftist primary challenges.
The baseline should be that they don’t vote for Pelosi.
Yeah, you’re SOOOO far left, that you’re against a leftist action, because you’re for an even more impossible action. Makes sense.
You keep posting about this
Because I can’t fucking escape it because you libs won’t shut the fuck up about it.
why do you give a fuck? Even if it’s a pointless effort, how is it any sweat off your back? If you’re anti-electoralism - that’s fine, go do target-practice
Because I’m sick of you fucking libs giving up any power we have for ineffective spectacle nonsense and revelling in romantic defeatism like you are goddamn Imperial Japanese military officers.
Nobody expects it to go through - we want to see them kill it. We want them to show who they are.
We know who they are, dumbass. You aren’t exposing anyone. The Democrats have a 10 vote margin in the House and there are 18 Blue Dog Democrats, not even counting the New Democratic Caucus. It takes 11 Blue Dogs to kill the bill. All it’s going to o do is give cover to Nancy Pelosi and other reps masquerading as “progressives” to say “No, I’m progressive, see, I voted for the bill” in 2022.
Yeah, you’re SOOOO far left, that you’re against a leftist action, because you’re for an even more impossible action. Makes sense.
Thanks for admitting that voting against Pelosi is actually not possible, lib. Glad we have cleared up you don’t think that’s possible to do.
You’re questioning people’s motives. Why can’t there be sincere disagreement about strategy? You can calmly explain why you disagree without attacking everyone.
I’m sick of you fucking libs giving up any power we have
I think you’re the one asking us to give up power. Jimmy’s call looked quixotic at first, but there’s genuine support for this among the left, including from relatively mainstream figures.
We know who they are
We mostly do - the public doesn’t. Also, it’s still useful to see who’ll be willing to stand in the way when push comes to shove.
The Democrats have a 10 vote margin in the House and there are 18 Blue Dog Democrats, not even counting the New Democratic Caucus. It takes 11 Blue Dogs to kill the bill. All it’s going to o do is give cover to Nancy Pelosi and other reps masquerading as “progressives” to say “No, I’m progressive, see, I voted for the bill” in 2022.
Say they do that. Fine, primary challenges will have to be based on different issues. But that’ll put them on the record - it’ll shift the Overton Window: “90% of House Democrats support M4A, only a few conservative assholes don’t”. They’ll have a tougher time raising money from anti-M4A donors. They’ll be forced to pick a fight with Biden and the Republicans - Pelosi will have to tell MSNBC that Medicare For All is good and the talking points against it are Republican nonsense.
Like I said - if you’re sharpening bamboo sticks or organizing workers - good for you, all the power to you. But then leave discussions of electoral strategies to people who give a shit about them. Because you’re making the lib arguments in favor of Pelosi.
Not to mention that if the last election cycle was any indication, being unequivocally against m4a isn’t a deal breaker or even a problem for the majority of the democratic voter base
I can’t think of anything more inspiring to the base than two defeats of M4A, once in the primary and again in Congress, in 12 month period. Surely no one will become dejected and check out of politics after that.
At the same time surely never fighting for anything because everything is unpragmatic and electoralism is engineered to make you lose all the time wont ever make people dejected and check out of politics.
WTF the left collumn has Dau, Brie, Kyle, and other posting legends, etc what are you saying liberal
On the other hand, assuming the vote fails, couldn’t establishment Dems point to that as further “evidence” against M4A? I don’t know whether that means it’s futile to try, but we shouldn’t underestimate their ability to twist any outcome to fit their narrative.
Good point. That the Dem establishment will take the wrong lesson from a failed M4A vote is a given; the real question is whether the populace will recognize this betrayal for what it is. I have some hope for the working class, less so for your typical Stockholm-syndrome Dem voter.
This is the most ridiculous internecine fight.
Almost as if Jimmy Dore’s views were down 25% month over month prior to this “controversy”.
You keep pushing this point like you gottem (which I doubt you even have proof for), but why are you doubting the motives of sincere leftists?
Jimmy Dore could be a lot more popular if he did some bland shit. Instead, he has always said things like ACAB and disparaged every popular and mainstream holy cow.
If you just hate Jimmy - fine, what about Briahna Joy Gray (or anyone else more popular/mainstream on the list)? You don’t think they could have sold out and got more views/better positions?
Even if they are pursuing views to some extent - they could be doing it on top of a hundred different issues. But here they are pushing for M4A, which is a major flagship of the soc-dem movement in the US.
Even if it’s all a waste of time - they’re at least doing something. You’re just yelling at them to stop from the sidelines - what’s the use in that?
