If you thought you were a true ally, maybe it’s time for some introspection.

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I don’t think the tweet is discussing the social morality of transpeople genitals, but I really don’t know what DO is the social morality of genitals

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Genuine question - can both be true? Can someone be a transphobe for not wanting to date someone but still an ally? Or more specifically sleep with someone?

Edit: I’ll leave my question as is, but my intention was to ask about sex, not about dating as in being seen on the street with someone or exploring an emotional relationship

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also tbf dating a dude that feels iffy on your genitals isnt gonna be fun from the get go, find a nice comrade and settle down like i did

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and some shithead walks up and says “if you don’t want to have drop you pants and have sex with a trans woman right now you are not a comrade you are a sexist transphobic piece of shit.”

Cis people will see a bunch of trans people call out society’s transphobia on Chapo dot chat and compare it to rape

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That’s what cis people think when you tell them that the statement “I wouldn’t date a trans person” is transphobic. It’s this victim mentality, this fear that makes them transphobic. They just think trans women are predators

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CW: transphobic violence

When people get killed for disclosing and people get killed for not disclosing what the fuck are you supposed to do, dating is hard enough as it is imagine your life is literally on the line when you hook up or start seeing someone romantically.

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I remember in 2013ish tumblr culture it was like, social justice dogma that genital preferences were transphobic, without much room for nuance. And I bought into it, hard, and never had it challenged for years. Then I got into discord servers with a lot of trans people and started noticing that many trans people themselves have genital preferences. Especially common seemed to trans women who strongly preferred dicks, and further in particular transbians who were only interested in dating other trans women. I don’t want to go off listing examples because there are a ton of different people with a ton of different aspects to the minutiae of their attraction, but yeah meeting trans people with genital preferences, some stricter than others, made me realize that policing genital preference isn’t actually good. Actually my initial reaction when I first started meeting like, transbians who only want to date transwomen who haven’t had bottom surgery was to say “isn’t that bad because it reinforces the transphobic idea that there’s a difference?” But after a while of discussing it and self-examining I realized how problematic that is.

Of course, “I won’t date trans people” doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with genital preference because trans people might have had bottom surgery. So a, say, straight man categorically dismissing trans women because they’re not into dicks doesn’t make sense because not all trans women have dicks.

But I kind of wonder what angle the tweet being linked here is coming at it from. Like the specifically mention the word “preference”, which makes me wonder if this person is in fact drawing on 2013 tumblr social justice dogma that genital preferences are transphobic. I have no idea, and don’t have the energy to read through the replies to see what in particular is going on.

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I’m probably not the right person to ask. But I’m pretty sure chaser is actively fetishizing, not just having an orientation (lesbian) and a preference (penises) that combine in this way. Could be wrong though.

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I’d like to downvote because I don’t think this post is the most appropriate way to frame this discussion, but I also don’t want to get flagged for the next purge. :thinkin-lenin:

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the op, through their comments on this thread, has clearly proven that they are able to approach this subject in a nuanced and intelligent manner. the linked tweet doesn’t do either of those things. this could have just been a self post.

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