Look Dore is an asshole and not very smart but its pretty obvious to people on the outside that y’all are playing softball with AOC because you think she can be president some day. Awful look for supposed socialists.
obviously it comes with perks like helping with movement building and public legitimacy but has its limitations beyond that, youre not some genius communist theoretician for saying electoralism bad and thinking youve discovered that were not gonna vote socialism in or something
We shouldn’t play softball with the likes of AOC, but we should absolutely treat them with good faith. “Fuck you and everything you stand for you worthless sellout” is not treating someone in good faith. “You’re worse than Pelosi” is not treating someone in good faith.
Nooo not my heckin AOCerino!!1! I promise she’s doing back-room deals! We have someone on the inside! Trust the plan!
stop being obsessed with aoc and politicians, its just as bad as people who idolize her
lol there’s no phantom back-room deal here; she said three weeks ago that progressives were trying to get PAYGO scrapped, and they got PAYGO scrapped:
“They aren’t demanding anything” is an assumption - and a false one. These structural negotiations happen, they just aren’t live-tweeted.
These negotiations started months ago, & include House rules, PAYGO exemptions, committee makeup, vote commitments, investigations, etc.
She said what the plan was and why, then did it. You can disagree with whether that was the best plan possible, but pretending there’s some scramble to ass-cover here is just horseshit.
i dont give a fuck about AOC you people are just obsessed with being wreckers and not ever doing anything useful
Are you Silver Legion?
Is this the great struggle session that was foretold to dissolve chapo.chat for good?
“if you spend all your time complaining about politicians and getting caught up over congressional votes youre a liberal” send post
Isn’t forcing a vote literally part of the DSA M4A plan?
Pressuring a floor vote was part of it in the context of working with 30 other national unions and progressive organizations in 2019 in the runup to the elections. Campaigning to “pressure politicians” to not vote for Pelosi and force a m4a vote is different and turned into a counterproductive shitshow with Jimmy Dore attacking everyone and calling them traitors and shit saying we dont need to organize and blaming DSA and nurses unions for this whole thing failing
Ok so how long did you want to wait for Pelosi and unions to agree to hold a vote?
politicians arent going to save us, idk why you want to stake your shit on just telling them you want them to do stuff, you gotta organize if you want to wield any sort of power
Could we stop having struggle sessions over some electoralist bullshit? jfc
You won’t be getting M4A one way or the other.
Ooo wee pardner, we got ourselves a struggle session
the whole point of this was to expose the squad - to show that they wont even do the bare minimum, there is so much wasted energy trying to reform the democratic party :xi-plz:
so you expose the squad and then people will do what? people seemed to have mostly gotten from all this that you actually just need to elect a squad 2.0 but on a 3rd party ballot line…
