Seriously what is up with whining about people bringing their kids shopping. I get that they hate poor people I just would expect them to have more than one thing to talk about
Edit: Even though I enjoy conflict, I guess I’ll add some context here anyway. The usual line I hear as smalltalk is “You don’t have to bring the whole family shopping,” which if you don’t shut it down immediately, will be followed up with some of the most racist and/or classist statements you can imagine, typically involving birth rates
It is very weird how is alienated from children. Most adults don’t interact with or even see children regularly unless they have children or work in child care. It’s really sad how such a fundamental part of existence is so cordoned off both for the children not being able to see and be part of their whole world and for the adults missing out on the sense of community and humanity that comes from dealing with both the good and the bad about children. The system behind this dehumanized structure is obviously capitalism. I’d encourage any comrades to let go of any unnecessary boundaries between adult and child spaces and embrace more humanity.
i agree to an extent but me and my friends constantly smoke weed, plus my house/room has far too many small and fragile and sharp things around to be a child safe place. its the same reason i don’t have pets even though i don’t dislike them, i just couldn’t trust them around my models and miniatures (plus most of my family is allergic). there do need to be some amount of exclusively adult and exclusively (probably with oversight) child spaces imo, but probably to a lesser degree than the status quo in many places.
Sure your personal space is yours to define, my concern is with how society perceives shared spaces. And for those shared spaces there’s already an expectation (especially from comrades) of things like public safety, consideration for differently abled people, elderly persons. We should not limit those considerations away from the expectation children will be there and have their own unique needs, including social understanding for their lack of ability to fully self regulate , and that we can pay into a community that accepts and shares that cost same as we would encourage community to share and accept all sorts of other social costs.
It depends on the area you live. You get a little further from the cities and there is a very normal mix of families wherever you go and consequently much less of the type of judgement being discussed in this thread. Cities tend to collect single people or people without kids, and frankly, raising kids in an urban setting is much more challenging so fewer people do it or they move out when they start a family.
i know i personally get anxious in crowded public spaces like grocery stores but its weird to blame parents for that, not everyone has childcare etc. they can rely on. obviously we should have more public childcare lol, and even public spaces for children to exist outside of school. its more understandable to me to complain about (poorly behaved or obviously uncomfortable) children in places you expect to spend more time in, like restaurants. recently my roommates went to a somewhat more restaurant for a date and got put in some back room full of some other party’s children, and had an awful time. i think its because they are both bi and outwardly present as LGBT.
I just hate being around people, and kids are some of the most unrestrained people there are. By the transitive property, I hate kids.
To be fair you don’t have to be rich to teach your kids how to act while their out in public.
Unless they’re baby age, then yeah babies gonna cry sometimes, it happens.
Noisy isn’t necessarily inappropriate behavior in public. People should be less tightassed
I dunno man, on one hand, I kind of agree with you for the most part, on the other hand, if you’re out in public you should be mindful that it’s not your house and there are people around that may be dealing with shit you don’t know about. People with PTSD and sensory issues gotta shop too.
They do, but so do parents of kids with behavioral issues and such. I’m not saying “don’t teach your kids to be respectful in public,” I’m saying that a lack of childcare is the source of the conflict and the amount of “they need to hit that kid” that passes for smalltalk is outrageous, selfish, and whiny
I was in a theater once with a woman who brought her toddler into a horror movie, and when the kid predictably started crying, she pulled out her phone and put on baby shark at damn near full volume for them. Some people do need to be less tightaased, but some people also genuinely don’t know how to act in public anymore.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d get theater staff involved at that point
It’s usually shopping that people talk about - specifically something necessary, boring, and time-sensitive where you’re likely to encounter behavior problems in larger families because it’s a kid-unfriendly environment where most activities are impossible, and the parent is having to divide their attention between all of the kids and shopping
I am convinced that the particular rampant nature of childism is at least partly because the atomization in our society ensures that people aren’t around children at all.
