In 08 I was a little too young to be politically active but I always understood that Obama convinced a ton of people that things were gonna change, and was able to put a friendly face on the American Empire.

Nowadays theres definitely a lot of people just happy that the orange man is off the television, but sleepy joe has negative charisma and hes already doing really bad with the stimulus bill and is openly refusing to reverse trump policies like closing the camps.

Am I accurate in this or am i just trapped in my commie safe space?

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According to my lib friends, the comparisons are Lincoln and FDR.

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This administration sucks but it’s leagues better than the flaming train wreck of 2009. People really do not remember how shitty and conservative the Democrats were in 2009 compared to now. Obama bragged about putting three Republicans in his cabinet, the most nominees from the opposing party of any president in history. Imagine if Trump just let the Democrats run one-seventh of the government for no reason.

At this point in 2009 Obama had asked Bush’s defense secretary to retain his post in Obama’s administration. Imagine if Biden had just told the Trump guy “hey you’re doing a great job wanna stick around.” Rahm Emanuel was Chief of Staff. Larry Summers, a right-wing austerity hawk, was Obama’s top economist. Eric Holder, A Reagan appointee who defended Purdue Pharma, was the attorney general. Arne Duncan, a notorious union-busting school CEO ran Education. None of those ghouls (except Eric Holder) would be confirmable today because the left is powerful enough to block them.

The Democrats of 2009 would not have passed anything close to resembling Biden’s covid relief bill, which was still not enough as it was. The Democrats, while still not nearly left enough, have moved leaps and bounds to the left of where they were in 2009. It is not Biden apologia to admit this. In fact, it is Obama apologia to deny it.

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Biden has done so much more to help people than Obama. Even the paltry ass shit he has done. Worlds better than Obama. Obama immediately bailed out Wall Street and bankers to the detriment of homeowners. Biden is good on trans rights so far.

Yes, foreign policy wise, Biden sucks, but one strike is different than Obama’s continuation of the wars. Honestly I think we pay too much attention to one minor strike and not enough attention to crippling sanctions on Iran and Venezuela that have caused many many more deaths and much more misery that Biden could unilaterally wipe away and has not

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There are big differences in attitudes towards spending. The stimulus back then was 900B because they were cautious about inflation

The current Covid bill is 1.9T and there is supposed to be an infrastructure bill also being passed with budget reconciliation this year, also in the trillions.

The change to child tax credits mean that parents universally get it, there are no work requirements attached to it. That’s another change in attitude. Earlier you had to make money to have taxes to deduct so the tax credits were useless to many

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Yeah on the 1.9T thing, there’s actually a recent clip of Biden like, super vaguely criticizing Obama for the 900B, which is the reason Democrats got so absolutely fucked

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This take misses the mark a bit, that talking point was towards stimulus spending that would help normal Americans, not the bailouts, which Obama went all in on without helping homeowners who had been fucked over by predatory lending

Not saying you’re wrong overall

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that talking point was towards stimulus spending that would help normal Americans, not the bailouts,

What do you mean?

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Economists on both sides (like god damn larry summers in the Obama White House) were going and saying direct assistance to people was inflationary and not necessary but bailing out corporations was necessary

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What? His stimulus package makes Obama’s look like pocket change. And most of that is going to the poor.

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