FluffyPotato
Read the bottom replies if you wanna argue this, I don’t want to repeatedly type out the same stuff on a phone.
Ultimately if the workers are unified capitalist don’t have the power to coup anyone unless you are a dictatorship with a strongman to coup but that’s no better than the current system. The 1% of people will never be more powerful than a unified 99%, like if that is achieved I doubt you even need force but I do consider it to be acceptable to fulfill the will of the people. Force is not the primary, way or even secondary, that capitalism is maintained, it’s division and diversion.
You would most likely still be arrested or you would get away if really lucky. But this is all irrelevant, if cops were Thanos snapped capitalism would not go away, without unity in the working class nothing will change. Being able to steal without consequence is not socialism.
I’m not from a country that’s rich enough to have rich areas. No American style suburbs here thankfully.
The main disincentive is still societal even if you are talking just about shoplifting(Though I was mostly talking about private property). Cops will just arrest you but if you get a criminal record you will have a harder time finding a job, people will not trust you and your family may even disown you.
I understand that system is leagues more fucked up in the US where the cops will just shoot you if you’re darker than mayonnaise, 3 insignificant crimes get you serious jail time and every sentence is normal amount of years times ten but it’s a uniquely bad system there and not a reflection of the rest of the world and in the rest of the world the threat of violence is generally not there and we perpetuate this system. You guys also have absolutely insane wealth differences and like no way to even do anything about it, Americans should really take pointers from the French and organize a proper general strike, nothing will change if people just complain.
Also your analogy would be more accurate if I mugged someone with a toy gun. As I said cops aren’t as powerful as the whole of the working class.
In 99.9% of cases yea we as a society have ended up enforcing it unfortunately. Gotta win over hearts and minds to change that and if most people can be convinced to change I’m sure there will be a bigger threat of violence and probably more than a threat but if enough people back changing from the capitalist system it won’t matter, cops will never outnumber the working class. If only the working class learned to work together (and also stop putting dictators in charge who fuck over the working class).
The US police is a very weird anomaly in the world, the hiring standards and educational requirements are below anything most other countries consider acceptable while the budgets are higher than anywhere else as well while producing the worst outcomes of most other police forces.
Debt is pretty much never collected by a police force but usually by banks (or what ever other institution gave out that loan). Most of these relations are not maintained by cops or military since working class people lack a unified front to combat anything (France is the only place where that has even remotely shifted in recent years). So maintaining anything by cops hasn’t even been necessary for like the last 50 years at least. If workers had any unified front that may change.
Also the only country that does imperialism with their army in modern times in Russia, the US, China, France etc all do their imperialism by investments making another country dependant on them and then exporting their resources.
Crypto was always a speculative asset. It has been used effectively as a stock market with no regulations the moment it contained any considerable amount of capital. At no point in time did it have a shot at replacing the current monetary system.
Force may have been a method to maintain the capitalist system once but in modern times it’s division and complacency.
That’s why I started with “depending on what you mean by market”. There are like a ton of different academic and colloquial definitions.
Though I don’t agree that you need an army to enforce the current market system as the current system seems quite capable of being perpetuated by capitalists themselves.
Really depends on what you mean by market. Like a market has existed since humans have and probably will until post-scarcity. The market we have now with arcane rules that all end up enriching people with more money than any one human will ever need is something that has been in the making since industrialization. That market is pretty much at a point where salvaging it is not really possible even if there was any attempt made to do so. Control of how that market works seems to be at the hands of bad actors who just want to squeeze as much wealth out of it as they can, screwing over anyone else.
Like for example the power companies in my country stopped producing power on their own and bought power from neighboring countries just to sell it to locals at a higher rate. Basically just acting as middle men without providing anything of worth. That drove the price of power to hit 300% more than the year prior. The only reason they stopped was because our government started their own power plan with locally produced power forcing those companies to compete with it but the damage was done and power prices never went back to normal like they never do when companies inflate prices. A market regulated by people who only care about profit will never work.