Maaskarpone [they/them]
I think the systemic killing of all animals is genocide. The animal kingdom includes wasps, so yes, killing wasps is genocide.
They are the same thing in terms of genocide. However, as clarification, would I more broadly call the oppressions the same thing in an imprecise way? Yes and no. Yes, because of the co-constitution between animal and human oppression, whose context, values, ideologies, socialised/codified social behaviours and social structure/material conditions are full of continuities. No, because they still have different contexts and have unique oppressions in their own ways. An imprecise answer to that question is analogous to someone saying racism and queerphobia are the same things, which is something I wouldn’t claim. Everything needs to be looked at and explored in its unique entirety. We need to acknowledge both the similarities and the differences of the oppressions and consider their unique entireties in order to uproot their evils to our best extent.
Your tone indicates you’re not taking me seriously, when I expect a serious response requiring proper engagement from you on the issue of animal abuse. Why aren’t you vegan? Please read on the principle of charity. Unironically, though, there is an animal holocaust; you are right. :)
Shocking. Bees feel pain !? Did you know that honey bees like Apis mellifera and wasps like Vespula vulgaris for example recognise faces?
Ew, how disgusting, vile and unethical. Have some dignity as someone that calls themselves a leftist, and show some dignifying behaviour towards animals who have continuities with humans, like feeling pain. Your behaviour towards living beings falls short of basic, bare-minimum standards.
Also, I’m glad the two animal rights activists are okay.
Sad that 1.5 billion pigs got killed in 2018 , suffering wicked, genocidal conditions, with the numbers of pigs carnists tortured life-long and murdered now presumably higher.
Let’s remember that all you lurking carnists are responsible for farmers ‘thumping’ baby piglets. Go vegan. Otherwise you’re bourgeois individualist cowardice scum, or fascist.
Problems in your post:
a) You can cook your way to animal liberation… Cooking food for carnists isn’t vegan activism. Vegan food is only ever adjacent to vegan activism - the core of veganism as an emancipatory movement.
b) Your post lends itself to incrementalism… Advocating for baby steps through omission is advocating for another baby to take its last steps. Also, veganism is an abolitionist movement requiring revolution on individual and broader levels.
c) ‘plantbased diet makes you vegan’ instead of ‘veganism makes you choose a plantbased diet’ Vegan meals are a false notion. Vegan-adjacent meals are the only meals we have. Also, the core of veganism is vegan activism. Not participating in violence, nor food, is at the centre of veganism as a movement.
d) ~tasty food is needed to be vegan Is adjacent to we need technological solutions to social problems, which is problematic. Being happy with the taste of plantbased foods doesn’t by virtue reflect a change in heart.
Based title.
Carnist = fascist.
That includes eating honey.