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Alienating potential allies is socialism and the more you alienate the more socialist it is.

No I will not explain.

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He’s saying that blind spots don’t matter essentially.

Yeah, like when a k-hive person calls you a white Bernie bro and you need to check your privilege they always have a valid reason for saying so and it isn’t just to shutdown debate.

Maybe before we assume the worst of this guy we can, I dunno. Give him the most basic of good faith assumptions?

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I mean, institutional cultures can vary. It may be differences in degree as opposed to differences in kind but ignoring that is just being willfully ignorant of useful information.

The average educational attainment of an FBI officer is almost certainly higher than an ICE one. This isn’t to say the FBI creep is better, but understanding that isn’t useless.

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Circa 1910:

If communism is so helpful why hasn’t there been any mass communist movement in any part of the world?

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If you’re trying to plan about how to engage with institutions you’re opposed to, understanding the details about how they work and the people that make them up is useful.

Institutions are complex, in some circumstances all of them are going to respond identically, there the distinction is useless. But when they respond differently you should understand how and why, because it is useful then.

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??? An early thinker in an ideology dying at a different time has very little to do with the conditions in the world creating a fertile ground for their ideas being enacted into material changes.

My point is that it’s silly to say there is no example of anarchism working when pre-October revolution there wasn’t any example of communism being enacted on any scale. If we believed your argument then, then no progress would ever happen ever because “it’s never been done before”.

There are varied conditions in which principles of varied leftist thought will be useful or successful, it could be the case that large scale implementation of anarchist ideas aren’t suitable for the current moment, but they will be in the future. Or maybe if you wanted to make a more consistent argument you’d tell me why anarchism can never work for: X reasons.

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Well that’s the thing, contextualized with imperialist powers waiting in the wings, being auth-left is more functional. Contextualized into an environment with weaker/non-existent imperialist powers and the costs (in human harm) begin to outweigh the benefits, and so shifting to a more lib-left model would likely be better.

As to your second point, I think that being useful for oppressed people and being popular aren’t linked. Left populism, more likely. Right populism? Mostly gonna fuck over a large number of the adherents (along with quite a few others). I’ve already conceded that threatened people will find strength compelling, and auth-left/right will usually have more functional strength than lib-left/right. People will want more egalitarianism as they become more secure, I think this isn’t controversial? I’d even make the argument that there’s very basic psychological/evolutionary reasons why this would be the case.

I think different ideologies find traction for a variety of reasons and are successful or help people for a different set of reasons. (With some overlap). I also would argue that anarchism is pretty antithetical to state formation, so it’s a little unfair to use that as a measuring stick when we still live in a very threatened and dysfunctional world, maybe when we have generalized security for all people this will change? I would argue that some anarchist/libertarian principles have been implemented in various societies to the benefit of many. Democracies are more egalitarian than monarchies for one.

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Not knowing which is which is the greatest dunk of them all.

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On the same topic of vulnerable people being exploited for their labour in relation to meat industry:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/03/09/us/the-boys-in-the-bunkhouse.html

Not a light read, it’s honestly incredibly fucking tragic.

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