Every once in a while I get that ominous feeling that killing and specially making animals suffer just for me to eat meat, fish and lactose is extremely wrong, but then I kinda forget.

I kinda see myself hunting wild game though so it’s weird.

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Can we compromise and keep eggs milk and cheese? I know it’s selfish but those would be way harder for me to give up.

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I would argue that eggs could be produced ethically, though they would likely be a lot more expensive to do so, but dairy is pretty indefensible, imo.

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Backyard chickens can certainly live a good life if they’re well cared for, and I don’t really have much of a problem with that, but if we’re talking about the societal level, the amount of land and water required to scale it is insanely high compared to plants. If you’re not talking about keeping them on cleared land, and instead keeping them in wooded areas, that’s cool, but also has it’s own issues. Overall, though… if you have the land, raise some pet chickens and eat their eggs.

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Also they kill all the male chicks at birth

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“But milking cows is literally rape.”

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If you have the milk, the calf doesn’t.

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You… do not understand how milking works…

Calves drink their mothers’ milk for 8 to 10 weeks. Dairy cows are milked for 10 months before having another calf. They don’t deny milk to the calf.

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…Is that really what you think people are talking about?

When they talk about raping cows, it’s because of this:

https://www.americancattlemen.com/articles/different-ai-techniques-and-method-fertility (Warning: It’s a picture of a farmer with his arm up a cow’s ass, for those of you who might be sensitive to that kind of thing.)

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You think the cow fucking cares? It’s a cow.

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It’s the breeding of dairy cows where the rape comes in, not the milking

Not sure if the downbears are from milk drinkers, or vegans who can’t read

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Yeah that’s the thing for me when it comes to dairy products, that they ultimately rely on factory farming. Raising chickens and eating their eggs I dont have as much a problem with

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