Funny enough, neither of those countries is socialist. Scandinavia in general is not what Americans think it is. They have such a simplistic view. Here’s the reality:
Norway: I fought the Germans for 62 days, then our leader’s name entered the English language as a synonym for ‘collaborator’.
Denmark: I fought the Germans For 5 hours, then became a model Nazi province.
Finland: I invaded and annexed Soviet territory shoulder to shoulder with the Nazis, then created my own concentration camps in which I imprisoned civilians that I ethnically cleansed.
Sweden: I supplied the Germans with iron, without which their war effort would have ground to a halt.
All of us supplied volunteers for the SS.
then our leader’s name entered the English language as a synonym for ‘collaborator
This would only be some sort of argument if Quisling was already in power when the nazis invaded, which he wasn’t. The nazis installed him as “our leader”, not the norwegian people.
You’re also conveniently leaving out the resistance movements who most definitely did not lay down arms after 62 days. But I suppose that they and all the people who supported them were all “collaborators” as well, including the communists.
Why’s it so hard to condemn Nazi collaborators? I had no idea so many users were so defensive about their history. I would think that condemning them would be second nature, but no. You bring up American slavery all the time; how is this any different?
You’re also conveniently leaving out the resistance movements
Our resistance movement was called the Union Army and we had a civil war in which hundreds of thousands of us died to put an end to slavery. How’s that compare?
Your “resistance” movement outcompeted the total industrial production of the south by almost an order of magnitude. The slavers never had a chance, as long as the North fought.
Norway put up a pretty decent fight, all things considered, held out and even advanced until the Brits abandoned them leaving them without air support or supply. The commander of their remaining forces committed suicide as soon as he was out from the Nazi’s thumb.
Their government managed to escape and refused to surrender. And their resistance (40,000 strong) famously crippled the Nazi Nuclear Progam and forced a 300,000 strong occupation army to stay in place, crippling the Nazi’s in the later stages of the war.
The entire population, save 15000 SS Chuds, maintained a consistent program of Civil Disobedience.
Yeah, Quisling was a Nazi shit, and he and his entire government died Nazi shits up against the wall. Lesser Collaborators were ostracised, literally. Many starved to death.
Meanwhile the USA was importing rocket scientists and packing NATO with Nazi goons.
bad logic. yugoslavia was invaded by the nazis, does that make them fascist? you could just say that they’re actually social democracies instead of using this shit. a lot has changed in central europe the last almost century
motherfucker where in my post did I defend nazi collaborators? A loooooot has changed in the last 75+ years in europe. Hell, Germans went from well, nazis, to metrosexual gay guys with skinny glasses who go to the discoteque to listen to der funkybeats when off work. using that scandinavia used to be part of the nazi empire as your go to example of them either a) not being socialist countries, or b) not being like the image Americans have of scandinavia, is both weird and does nothing to prove or disprove your thesis, when you could just say they still rely on capitalist resource extraction from global poor nations or something.
A country’s allegiance 75 years ago aren’t a very good indicator of whether or not they’re socialist today, especially since half of them lost to the Nazis. Talk about social imperialism and capitalism instead of some shit which most people today won’t care about
Wait nvm you’re just accusing anyone and everyone on this site of defending Nazis lol
Instead of focusing on the threats of the 20th century try looking forward to the problems we will encounter soon
I don’t disagree necessarily, but don’t diss Norway and Denmark’s resistances. Norway put up one hell of a fight against the Kriegsmarine despite being outmatched. I don’t have the time and its been too long to summarize from Craig Symonds’ work but here is a surprisingly good Imgur post on the fighting put up in Narvik even before the British arrived.
https://imgur.com/gallery/VyJMU1x
As this was happening the Wilhelm Heidkamp had trained her torpedo tubes on the Eidsvold; when Gerlach left the ship he fired a red flare, a pre-agreed signal with the flotilla that the Norwegians were going to fight. Eidsvold immediately fired up her engines and with surprising speed rushed towards the Wilhelm Heidkamp and readied the port battery of 5.9-inch guns to fire. Startled and fearing being rammed, especially with 200 extra hands onboard, the destroyer unleashed four torpedos at point-blank range. Two of them went straight through the side of the old ship and hit the magazine, blowing the Eidsvold in half before she could even fire her guns. By 04:37 it had sunk, taking 175 of the 183-man crew with it, including Willoch.
Gotta respect that
