If you have any useful resource links please tag me in a comment with the link:
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to this if you can, thank you.
Links
Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine
Leftist discussion threads:
https://hexbear.net/post/177324
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/
Twitter military updaters:
https://nitter.42l.fr/RWApodcast
https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary :kitty-cri:
https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet
https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike
https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael
https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518
https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia/videos
obvious disclaimers about taking all of them with tonnes of salt etc
Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413
Better war/propaganda analysis:
https://www.understandingwar.org
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
News updates:
https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html
Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html
YT/Video in Ukraine:
Previous megathreads
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They’re invading because nato though. Nazis are just a side benefit. I don’t think they’d bother with them if not for nato, they would have waited until they got attacked first and then trounced them from a clearly defensive position. The nato issue however threatened to bring a nazi attack (years down the line) that could not be fought back against without assuming that their enemy was all of nato.
Thus, this shitshow.
Nato’s fault.
not to defend the invasion but it the agitation in Donbas and the 8 year war might’ve been a player as well.
Of course, I didn’t say that was why. but like you said it was a component. A well funded, well trained, ideologically rabid festering boil of neo-nazis is much worse when they get tactical missiles. They already had a ton of western firepower. Nazis are the lowest scum on earth.
Sure but I don’t think it’s strategically sound to support or be positive towards Russia for having done this. It would simply disconnect us from the masses. Even China seems to recognise this. Things might have been different had it been a defensive war for DPR/LPR, a “limited incursion” as Biden put it. But this is the whole shaboodle and comes off as an attack rather than a defence, especially with literally nobody knowing there was a nazi problem there to begin with and TO BE HONEST even MLs are only figuring out the scale of the problem now as the conflict goes on. Even those of us that have been watching Ukraine were really unaware of the size of the issue.
No. Its not.
I grant you that a circumstance could probably be devised where such a thing would be based, but that is not what is happening now, this is no hypothetical
It is at best a pleasant byproduct of a terrible thing, and even then that’s a huge stretch because their existence in this conflict is mulching thousands of innocent civilians being used as meat shields, it’s also I’d say the international fascist movement’s Unite The Right moment
Its not going to go well, and they may appear largely dispersed and discredited if we’re lucky, but the bare fact is that thousands of radical reactionaries are traveling to ukraine and taking part in organized fighting. Yes, it’s a mess and yes a bunch will die
But its basically a mass fascist networking moment with the cherry on top of some of the most enthusiastic martyring from the western media
This is not good at all
There will inevitably be another world war including an international fascist movement
yeah it sucks, and it’s horrible, no one is arguing that
You are focusing on the outcome of nearly a decade of the West organizing, funding, training, arming etc a fascist government at Russia’s border with an ideological predisposition toward war against Russia and whose choices were dictated by the US.
Where does the shelling of Donbas, Alley of Angels, banning Russian language, banning left-wing political parties, sharp rise in hate crimes verging on pogroms fit into your analysis?
The US is to blame for this, full stop. Those civilians being used as meat shields right now is the outcome of nearly a decade of funding and training very literal Neo-nazis by the US government and instigating conflict while planning full scale war using said investment. Maybe you think Russia jumped the gun, but my *opinion * is that Ukraine was a legitimate threat to Russia due to the culmination of factors, of which the ball had started rolling in 2014. You are choosing to ignore the attempts Russia has made to avoid this outcome. War/invasion or not, the result is a win-win for the west, and the losers were always going to be the Ukrainian civilians who neither wanted a western backed fascist government nor a Russian invasion.
Back to defending my shitposting that seems to have brought out so many detached hand-wringers: At some point, someone needs to shed blood to fight fascists. Whether or not that is the motivation of Russia/Putin, which it is not, it is happening.
Critical support for a US/NATO Neo-nazi army getting punched in the fucking nose for once, and I’m far from the only ML who arrived at this position, in fact I align nearly completely with most legitimate ML organizations who have made statements about this conflict.
I am not naive enough to believe these Neo-nazi scum will not resurface all over Europe.
I am wholly disappointed by the willingness of Westerners to support the current Ukrainian regime, and becoming irritated with leftists who hand-wring over the optics of ex. people thinking they support Putin if they so much as say “This invasion makes complete sense”, moral posturing notwithstanding, the invasion is the logical outcome of the US using it’s most worn out playbook for regime change and de-stabilization. Forming a detached position with enough ambiguity to avoid the criticism of your online comrades I’m sure feels great - coming up with the perfect take that pleases everyone, of which I have not heard a convincing position that takes into account all possible factors.
Very cool take, let’s invade anywhere with a right wing government, like how about Iran next?
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Yeah it’s a terrible post, China should invade the US and start ww3, the US should go back in to Afghanistan, Israel should invade KSA are all kinda sort implied by it if I’m not feeling very charitable.
People are really reaching out to hand it to Russia on here for some reason and nobody on the Left really needs to do that. I would even say the DSA-IC statement was more than charitable to Russia, but I guess that’s not even good enough for some.
A lot of people seem to think that Leftism is when you hate America and anyone who hates America is therefore cool and leftist. To the point that we have people cheering on war that’s just about bourgeoisie sending proles to kill each other for their own profits, just to own the West. Terminally online edgelord shit.
I’m not necessarily disagreeing but what exactly doesn’t strengthen the far right? If you economically weaken the country through sanctions, the hardship of the regular citizenry can be sabotaged towards nationalist ends. Ukrainian politics and leadership has been compromised by their presence in the form of fairly sizable paramilitary groups, and so it would be difficult for anybody to try and purge them without overwhelming internal force. Obviously, if much of eastern Europe (but particularly Ukraine) wasn’t so economically immiserated then there would be less incentive for Nazis to spring up, but the West sure wasn’t going to solve that and neither could Russia, really, especially due to the deterioration of relations between the two countries over the last decade or two.
So, to me at least, if you wanted to get rid of the Ukrainian Nazis then this seems like the only real option left for Russia.
