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child support should be mandatory if you want to be a negelectful parent you can change your name and leave the country the traditional way.

I don’t think people should be able to abandon their responsibilities if they aren’t willing to put in the work

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I agree that parents have a responsibility to their child but abortion gives me an option to not become a parent even if I become pregnant and I think there should be an equivalent just on a shorter clock.

Obviously they’d need to pay if they don’t take the parental termination route early enough, but there are situations where someone can have sex and not intend to get pregnant, and so I think it logically follows that someone can have sex while not intending to get someone pregnant. It might be contraceptives failing, a hookup, or any other number of reasons. If the carrier lets the other person know quickly why should there not be a way for them to say “I don’t want to be a parent even if you decide to keep it”?

You said “I don’t think people should be able to abandon their responsibilities if they aren’t willing to put in the work.” Should a pregnant person be allowed to have a medical abortion if they aren’t willing to put in the work or should they have to just tough it out and become a parent anyway? Personally I don’t think anyone should have to give a reason to have an abortion, so even if their reason is they don’t want the work or financial burden of a child that’s more than enough.

I’m not suggesting at all that this be attainable any time other than in the early weeks of pregnancy, but I’m hesitant to suggest an exact week because I’m not trying to write a law as much as rethink what a legal abortion could mean.

There are foreseeable problems I don’t have answers to though, like what if the carrier does not inform their partner of the pregnancy until it is too late to seek parental termination, but then we’re really just in the situation we are now.

If I need to put it in cisheteronormative terms to make it more understandable, I think men should be able to get abortions too, just via paperwork instead of a pill or surgery.

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I disagree I think abortion should be legal as the criminalisation just results in a higher death rate for the women getting them and also that no one should be forced to give birth.

Abandonning responsibility to a child is shitty though as it will negatively impact the remaining parent and child.

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I don’t think I’ve said anything that counters what you’ve just stated, so I’m not sure what you disagree on exactly. Yes, abortion is good. I think we have the same reasons for supporting it. I also think abandoning your child is very shitty, but we have to admit that it will still sometimes happen.

Let me bring it back to my friend whose partner abandoned her late in her pregnancy. He was likely to always do this. If he had incentive to tell her in the first few weeks instead, when she still still could have had an abortion, wouldn’t that have been better? I’m not saying her decision entirely would have depended on that, but if our system is going to be such a failure at collecting child support from these shitty neglectful parents, can’t we at least encourage them to do that in a time frame that allows the carrier to plan for that?

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Found the closet Jordan Peteson :jordan-eboy-peterson:

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