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Idk where people get the idea that DSA is going to push me towards communism. Basically every single DSA person I’ve ever met is wholly subsumed by liberal hegemony and will drop everything to try and get a social fascist elected dogcatcher. Like they’re still just trying to elect “”“”“”““socialists””“”“”“” to city council here in Baltimore as if that’s going to do a fucking thing. I know different chapters have different characteristics but honestly the class character of DSA as a whole is petit bourgeois. Isn’t it like 30% of their members make over $100k/yr?

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Alienating folks because they make a high wage is silly. If they work for a living then they likely identify more with you than their multi-millionaire CEO. Also, a post-revolution society will need individuals who are currently paid well under our capitalist system. Shunning potential class traitors moves them right.

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If they work for a living then they likely identify more with you than their multi-millionaire CEO.

The CEO also “works for a living.”

It’s not about shunning people, but recognizing how the class composition of an organization affects it’s politics

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Sure but their CEO controls mass amounts of capital.

Yeah the DSA probably doesn’t have great foreign policy, but it’s one of the best places in the US to find politically active individuals who are going to be more open to leftward leaning ideologies.

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We will need engineers and programmers

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Totally, also pharmacists, dentists, doctors. All kinds of folks.

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Isn’t it like 30% of their members make over $100k/yr?

Who else is gonna shell out $50 annually to join a political party?

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I make less than half that and I spent $50 on Uber eats this week

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Social Democrats America tbh

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and will drop everything to try and get a social fascist elected dogcatcher.

I don’t think we’ll ever get to “vote” for socialism so in that sense I’m anti-electoralism… but how is this a bad thing? Someone like Lee Carter is able to get into the system and at least try and make things better for the working class. So it has the two-pronged effect of maybe improving people’s lives a little and definitely showing the public that we care about the working class and want to fight for them.

I mean, DSA = electoralism. And while electoralism is limited, if you think it’s a worthwhile endeavor then I dunno, DSA seems pretty alright to me.

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Electoralism is only a small portion of what the DSA actually does.

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This is definitely true in terms of electoralism but I can’t really be entirely against them given how much their organising efforts are genuinely helping. They’ve got some good organisers that do good work and even if it’s helping them grow I think it’s helping all the left grow, particularly when libs show up to protests and get shot at by cops for doing nothing at all.

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