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39 points

2 years ago

What’s your point, that the anti-war position should be to let actual Nazis continue hitting hospitals and homes with artillery until they get tired of it?

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Red_Left_Hand [none/use name]@hexbear.net

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16 points

2 years ago

I agree that there was a big problem there. Seems to me they failed to solve it.

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36 points

2 years ago

Sure, if your cutoff for a solution is “right now”. The people of Ukraine voted for an anti-war president and he couldn’t stop the war crimes. Is there another solution you see to the eight year long problem?

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mrbigcheese [he/him]@hexbear.net

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25 points

2 years ago

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And the invasion was a “solution”? For who? I don’t see how it resolved anything. It was deeply stupid and denying that is weird imo since they obviously thought they’d be able to trounce Ukraine like they did Georgia in 2008 and call it a day after a week but here we are a year later and its just escalating and the possibility for real peace for people in the region just worse than ever before.

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ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net

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24 points

2 years ago

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what is the abscene of a peacetreaty , and what would you do if this here + Zelensky under applause declaring his persude of Nuclear Weapons at the Munich Security Council , is the reaction on your diplomatic initiative…

not that there are not other Reaction then the invasion and other goals , but i want you to state an actuall alternative Strategy not just “invasion bad” …

how do you play it ?

Edit: I would have first shut sown the landline pipelines to europe as a treat, and offere an donbass specific ulitmatum …

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23 points

2 years ago

Do you have an alternative proposal? This conflict was going to happen one way or another because of NATO and America’s arming literal nazis. I don’t think there’s any reasonable analysis of this that doesn’t acknowledge that.

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Camaron29 [he/him]@hexbear.net

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6 points

2 years ago

Oh cool, thank god Russia doesn’t arm literal nazis such as, let’s say, the Wagner group.

Please, if you are trying to analyze the conflict don’t sound like you are trying to turn Putin into some antinazi icon.

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shipwreck [comrade/them]@hexbear.net

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17 points

2 years ago

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bluescreen [none/use name]@hexbear.net

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8 points

2 years ago

Georgia did. After NATO built them up for years they tried to grab a slice of South Ossetia. They got their asses handed to them on a platter. The corporate media then tried to spin it as Russian disinformation. Why wouldn’t Ukraine?

Russia is untenable as a nation if Ukraine is not at least neutral, and everyone knows it. Why else did NATO spend so much effort trying to get Ukraine in? It’s a springboard for invasion.

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mrbigcheese [he/him]@hexbear.net

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3 points

2 years ago

sorry but the idea of Ukraine invading Russia or something is just dumb, they didnt pose any serious threat lol cmon

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CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net

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10 points

2 years ago

I mean they did trounce them considering Ukraine was ready to sign the peace agreement in April…until the west sabotaged it and proceeded to empty Europe of arms in a successful bid to prolong the war

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Red_Left_Hand [none/use name]@hexbear.net

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10 points

2 years ago

The cutoff for the present “solution” seems to be never. The lines on the map are barely moving. The Wagner guy says 2 more years I think. And if Ukraine capitulated tomorrow, revanchism and irredentism are going to be majority positions in a country full of traumatized veterans and ATGMs.

I can’t know how a different approach would have worked out. But when you send in the tanks you take responsibility for how it turns out.

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17 points

2 years ago

There was no other solution because America and NATO weren’t going to let this go another way. It was 2022 or sometime soon for this conflict to blossom, and Russia simply took the initiative.

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Camaron29 [he/him]@hexbear.net

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3 points

2 years ago

Morocco is constantly undermining spanish authority, planting bugs in the presidential palace and constantly stirring shit up. Should Spain invade Morocco, then? Maybe they should take the initiative too.

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World_Wario_II [he/him]@hexbear.net

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6 points

2 years ago

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Hmm seems like you Poles have a big problem with fascists doing pogroms. The Soviets have failed to solve it (You in 1942)

This is the entire fascist NATO west using Ukraine as a proxy army and putting Russia in a corner. Russia has no choice but to fight, and for the good of humanity we should all hope they win again, as they did in WW2 against the demons from the west.

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CarmineCatboy [he/him]@hexbear.net

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15 points

2 years ago

the enemy is still bombing our people maybe we should surrender

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Red_Left_Hand [none/use name]@hexbear.net

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10 points

2 years ago

Under certain circumstances, you should consider that. But that’s not really analogous to this situation

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CarmineCatboy [he/him]@hexbear.net

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17 points

2 years ago

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Given NATO’s track record I don’t think it is morally possible for Russia to just surrender their people to the tender care of a US backed regime. It’s just not happening.

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CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net

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10 points

2 years ago

Well they sure as shit weren’t safe when Ukraine was shelling them daily and neo-nazis militias were disappearing 15,000 people

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