Comment by GaveUp [she/her]@hexbear.net on So how do you feel guys generally deal with men being pigs?

I’m a dude, but I grew up with little sisters and kind of am void of piggish tendencies due to that I think, I realize women aren’t objects at least. Kink is kink and sexuality is sexuality, but I would assume women want to be able to post photos without some nasty ass dude or neckbeard in the comments section commenting about how fat her ass or boobs are or how they would “hit it”. Or walk down the street without some dog trying to hit on her.

I just saw something like this happen on twitter unfortunately and ive seen it life as well from some of friends who I tell to their faces they’re being pigs.

Make friends with the shy unconfident dudes. There are many that will be weird incels but many are some of the sweetest, kindest people I’ve ever met

I also ended up trans so lol

Oh also, I’ve noticed the guys that really love sports mostly/purely for the physical challenge aspect and not the competitive aspect are really cool too (probably because they love destroying and pushing their body more than women). The super competitive guys are a coin flip in my experience

incels are a hate group

they are but they’re a pretty big one. I also think incels are badly named as it’s more an ideology about sex being the thing that grants men self value and manhood. I think it’s fair to lump them in with pick up artist ideology as well. I would argue that Andrew Tate is an incel despite the fact he has had sex

it’s a deeply toxic attitude that treats women as objects but also contextualises their refusal to sleep with you as them denying you personhood thus the logical end conclusion of the ideology is that women do not have a moral right to refuse to have sex with a man. Which is obviously horrific. Not just a dismissal of women but an active hate and resentment

Andrew Tate is an incel despite the fact he has had sex

Come now, words must have meanings. Literally not an incel. Call him some other name. What incels want to be, maybe?

Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers would like a word

I use incel because I don’t have another word that I can use with people knowing who and what I am talking about.

I think incel is a terrible name for what they are because they are not like this because they don’t have sex they are like this because of the specific ways they ideologically dehumanise women. Having sex will not cure this and it’s sometimes even framed that women could prevent mass shootings by having sex with them which is the exact ideology of these men

no one should be “counting” anything. People should be free to have or not have consensual intimate relationships without judgement.

Ugh. I remember Alfie or whatever his name was from Catch-22. Like when you find out who he really is the book goes from bleak absurdity to full horror novel for a bit.

Incel has mutated from not being able to get laid to an ideology in it’s own right. Like he’s not celibate, involuntarily or not, but he is King of the Incels, the biggest, loudest talking head for their shitty ideology.

Come on, communicate precisely. Someone who gets laid on the reg is literally not an incel.

I also think incels are badly named as it’s more an ideology about sex being the thing that grants men self value and manhood. I think it’s fair to lump them in with pick up artist ideology as well. I would argue that Andrew Tate is an incel despite the fact he has had sex

I’ve seen people call it manosphere or redpill ideology. They definitely have the exact same mindset, they just differ in where they end up in the hierarchies they construct. MGTOWs fall into the same field as well, and there’s adjacent groups like femcels or transmaxxers that aren’t made up of men, but have internalized the same basic concepts about gender relations.

It’s admittedly hillarious to call Andrew Taint an incel. idk if i’d go as far as that, but he’s definitely more of an incel than some normal 30 year old virgin dude who doesn’t share their beliefs.

Shaming men for being virgins is a key aspect of rape culture. Which is a big part of why I hate the term incel being used to describe this hateful ideology

It is the cultural values where we see virgin men as less worthy of respect that created the incel movement

Yeah. I feel for the woman who coined Incel. Afaik she just wanted a community for other people who wanted a relationship but couldn’t find one for whatever reason to support each other and build community, but it turned in to this nightmarish army of ghouls.

yeah that really sucks she was trying to help solve the problem only for the problem to coopt her messaging

It’s admittedly hillarious to call Andrew Taint an incel.

andrew taint is the mirror side of the incel. the incel focuses their externality on a lack of success in the material objectification of women while the andrew taints have succeeded at the material objectification of women. the coin itself is the manosphere/redpill ideology, which is fascism wearing its most gendered male dress. the contradictions inherent to capitalism are projected onto women as a class who must be subjugated to improve the world. it has absolutely no structural teeth in itself, except perhaps in Occupied Korea (right wing politics has found great success there recently with extreme misogyny ideology). so in some sense, andrew taint is an incel. he literally has sex, but he himself has repeatedly described his lack of interest in sexual pleasure with women. it’s clear that his interest in sex is confined to his material domination of women, there objectification, and to the point of SA.

he himself has repeatedly described his lack of interest in sexual pleasure with women

This is a recurring theme with manosphere ideologues. It’s nothing new, either, any analysis of the fascist psyche eventually gets to their sexual pathology. When Klaus Theweleit described the fantasies of the proto-fascist men of the Freikorps, he stated that “the love for women and the love for the fatherland are contradictions” to them. The fascist project needs the most extreme form of the walled-off, emotionally dead men-as-murder-weapons patriarchy can produce. They do not know love, they only know conquest, and that is by design, as having access to as many of these men as possible is the central material need of the fascist repression apparatus.

I know. I meant to avoid the ones that are incels and put it there as a warning that many will be incels haha

I wish someone had told me that incel shit was a red flag when I was in my late teens and twenties. Back in the day nerd shit was still very uncool and you could get socially ostracized or even beat up for it, so there was this culture where nerds covered for each other no matter what. Which lead to a lot of shitheads getting away with shit for a long time because they were part of the “us” in us against the world. I would have cut loose a lot of people if me from the future had beamed down and been like 'You don’t need to keep these shitheads around, you’ll be fine without them and they’re making your friends miserable".

Beware of the pipeline :thonk-trans:

I respect women so much I became one

as someone that identifies as “just a little guy” despite not being little at all, i think your point here has a lot of overlap with ✨ t h e a u t i s m ✨

Oh also, I’ve noticed the guys that really love sports mostly/purely for the physical challenge aspect and not the competitive aspect are really cool too (probably because they love destroying and pushing their body more than women).

the neutral good himbo class, got a lot of respect for them

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