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Yeah they should just submit to a genocidal invader! That’s WAY better than dying!

I have not cheered for anything. I regret this situation as much as anyone. I simply think that it’s plain silly to capitulate to a mafia state that kidnaps and “re-educates” your children, bombs your hospitals and schools, massacres your villages and whose leaders have openly questioned the need for a Ukranian identity. I also think it’s quite telling that these “peace appeals” are only made to Ukraine, even though it takes two to tango and Ukraine isn’t the one trespassing.

Wow dude, this little number you’ve written here has so many logical fallacies and projections.

First of all, in no way am I defending the US invasions of the Middle East. Shit was bad and unnecessary.

Second of all, Russians are absolutely bombing hospitals and buildings full of children. They bombed a building in Mariupol that was used to house children and had that written on the roof. I’m also worried that they’re kidnapping children and robbing them of their Ukranian identity.

I think the war should continue for as long as Ukrainians are willing to fight. And not because I’m a cartoon villain that wants them all to die; I think any deal with Russia’s mafia leadership isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. The Russians have already stomped all over the Budapest memorandum that guaranteed Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty, why would they honor any other deal? At best the Russians would use the peacetime to resupply and rearm and try again later.

First of all, in no way am I defending the US invasions of the Middle East. Shit was bad and unnecessary.

The people who lied to you about those wars are telling you today’s war is totally a good one. Why would you believe them?

because russia is bad country

I don’t like being painted as someone who is told what to think. I do not think the Ukraine war is a “good one”, there are no “good” wars. I simply empathize more with the victims of imperialism and not the perpetrators of imperialism.

I wasn’t saying they weren’t, improve your reading comprehension. I was saying they weren’t doing these things on purpose.

Wait a sec, Egon. How would you know that? If you don’t, why claim it? There have been a lot of attacks on civilian infrastructure and reckless attacks in civilian areas. I’m not quite convinced that russia is as innocent as you seem to believe.

I simply think that it’s plain silly to capitulate to a mafia state that kidnaps and “re-educates” your children, bombs your hospitals and schools, massacres your villages and whose leaders have openly questioned the need for [your] identity

so you support the struggle of the DPR and LPR against Ukraine?

I simply think that it’s plain silly to capitulate to a mafia state that kidnaps and “re-educates” your children, bombs your hospitals and schools, massacres your villages and whose leaders have openly questioned the need for an…identity.

sorry not totally clear, you talking about USA?

How did the US. get Putin to invade Ukraine? I’m trying to follow the logic but I keep getting stuck on that one.

Weird, I got this as a reply but then it was just gone:

So the implication is that the Russian invasion was (and continues to be?) a false flag?

Yeah, I’m still not seeing how the US got Putin to go along with this false flag, any more details?

They were engaging in a dang whataboutism

Its a cheeky joke that is wondering why the United States has the moral authority to hypocritically police another state for actions that the USA engages in regularly and yet does not receive a fraction of the pushback.

It’s also worth pointing out, however, that the USA has been stoking the flames of Russian-Ukraine conflict for decades beginning with Operation Aerodynamics.

Don’t worry, the people of the Donbass and Crimea will never surrender to a bunch of western armed Ukrainian Nazis

The intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. Russia is doing that to Ukraine.

We have evidence of Ukraine banning the use of the Russian language, import of Russian books, Russian music, the banning of “pro-Russian” political parties. So we know Ukraine is engaging in what could be called cultural genocide. I’d love to see your evidence of actual genocide happening, though. I’m sure it’s real!

This is in no way equivalent hahaha. What kinda swill do they hand out in the IRA breakrooms these days?

Russia is invading the heartland of another distinct ethnicity and purging it. Ukraine is not doing that. It is simply clamping down on political liberties to ensure a stable war economy and political situation. This happens in every country that is forced to fight for it’s own existence.

and purging it

Please show evidence of this.

lmao the Ukrainian state was committing those actions before the invasion you dumb fuck, hence the civil war between the years 2014 and 2022, also trying to erase the identity of half your population is not an example of a wartime measure, it’s ethnic cleansing and the Ukrainians are pretty open about it

Hence why the separatist Russian-speaking regions (especially Crimea) should win the war and prevent the expansion of state backed neo-nazism

Perhaps the Ukrainians should concentrate the population that shows Russian sympathy into small camps

You know, to keep a better eye on them and to ensure the security of the Ukrainian identity against the perfidy of the Russian abhumans

Funny that one of the Baltic states proposed exactly this.

Russia is invading the heartland of another distinct ethnicity and purging it.

Do you think Russia is running death camps? Where are these purges supposedly taking place?

the heartland of another distinct ethnicity

Kievan Rus exists

Russian and Ukranian are almost the same language, as different as modern English is from Shakespearian English

Why do white people try to create ethnic differences where none exist? Russians and Ukranians are visually / genetically / culturally pretty much identical. It’s like saying North Korea invaded South Korea to purge it of Koreans!

“not submitting to the ideological propaganda pushed by your oppressor is literally genocide”

So if chinese language is taught in your country and chinese publications are sold, this means your nation and culture has submitted to China?

Well that depends, is China invading my country?

They’ve been bombing civilian population centers and infrastructure

By this metric all war is genocide

So the western liberal believes that orphans should be left in a war zone?

Ukraine uses child soldiers and brag about it so it’s a wholesome thing now I guess.

Are you saying that there are only two options? You either leave them to die or indoctrinate them into Russian families? No in-between?

They’ve been bombing civilian population centers

this is the only part of ur comment that could feasibly be considered genocide and you didnt provide a source. and wikipedia isnt a reliable source

and Ukraine has been bombing civilian centers for the past decade. and that is well documented. maybe Ukraine is the real genocidal power

No just no. I lot of Ukrainians live in Russia or fled to russia. Russia would’ve started with them first if they wanted to do something that.

It’s a imperialist war at best started to secure a very strategically important location.

I don’t think the people getting genocided care about dictionaries or philosophy.

For apparently being a genocide, this war has had less civilian casualties in the nearly year and a half it’s been on than there were in the first week of the US invading Iraq.

Different people have different perspectives about the conflict? Different discussions have different topics and histories to bring up depending on the context?

Genocide obviously does matter (I’m not sure who you are insinuating says otherwise), the commenter was discussing how the concept of genocide has been watered down largely as a means to manufacture consent for western military operations. Some people claim that Ukraine was engaging in genocide against the russian minority esp. through violence (by far right military orgs) in the east of Ukraine and legislation that suppresses russian minorities.

If you are confused you should ask some actual questions (or use the search function, find some of the effort posts). You will get genuine answers if you ask in good faith.

Yeah you’re clearly a bit confused, probably because you’re mixing things people here might say with ridiculous strawmen that you dreamed up and pulled out of your ass.

True, they probably care more that the Azov goons that were doing it to them are hamburger now.

Interesting. So The Azov brigade invaded their own home country from across the border? Or are you insinuating that they were Russians all along? I’m confused.

Im sorry but the Donbass and crimeans are winning, so they are safe from the genociders. You don’t have to worry anymore.

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