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Wait, someone who grew up in a wealthy suburb is the same as someone who grew up in an abandoned industrial town, we’re not saying that right? Just because we both work doesnt mean were in the same class- even if our interests may align.

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Depends on how you define it. In a strict classical Marxist sense, many affluent suburbanites would indeed be considered proles (coders, for example). Other professions like doctors and lawyers have historically been regarded as “bourgeois.” But there are plenty of sociological works that attempt to define that group in particular. “Professional-managerial class” is a term you see a lot.

The classic definition of class, used by economists and sociologists in the nineteenth century, is a group defined by its relation to production, not by income.

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How are doctors and lawyers bourgeois? They still have to work for a living, they don’t own the means of production.

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A doctor who runs his or her own practice is absolutely bourgeois, so is a lawyer who is a partner in firm. Their work product is a service, not a widget, therefore they own the means of production, i.e. their skills.

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Id much rather be a doctor or a lawyer than work at a warehouse. I would love to have some fulfillment and passion behind what I do.

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In pretty much all older writing from the days when “bourgeois” was a common term, they are labeled as such.

In Marxist terms, they are generally not wage workers who have their surplus value extracted. They own private practices.

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Yeah no way fuck that. Im def not comfortable with that, warehouse worker is not in the same class as a doctor.

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Well doctors are traditionally considered bourgeois, as I noted. But even putting that aside, consider that there are significant differences in “comfort” even within the traditional industrial working class. There are underwater welders who make six figures, for example.

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Maybe this is a poor example, but it’s kind of like the difference between a house and a field slave. A house slave could opt to keep the system or stay in good with their master because of the privileges their position affords them, but at the same time they are still a slave and could also opt to unite with their fellow slaves in the field to free themselves from their master.

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What about the perspective of the field slave? What is the house slave doing for the field slave, who clearly has it worse? How does the field slave know they are not going to just betray the field slave? The house slave has to do SOMETHING. They are not the same, the house slave is above the field slave.

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I’m not saying they aren’t. distinctions blur, and there are differences, but overall if you look at classes and subclasses under capitalism the people in suburbs are proles and not bourgeoise just like a house slave is still a slave.

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