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Depends on how you define it. In a strict classical Marxist sense, many affluent suburbanites would indeed be considered proles (coders, for example). Other professions like doctors and lawyers have historically been regarded as “bourgeois.” But there are plenty of sociological works that attempt to define that group in particular. “Professional-managerial class” is a term you see a lot.

The classic definition of class, used by economists and sociologists in the nineteenth century, is a group defined by its relation to production, not by income.

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How are doctors and lawyers bourgeois? They still have to work for a living, they don’t own the means of production.

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A doctor who runs his or her own practice is absolutely bourgeois, so is a lawyer who is a partner in firm. Their work product is a service, not a widget, therefore they own the means of production, i.e. their skills.

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Oh yeah that’s true for those who own their own practices. I don’t know the numbers but I’m pretty sure most doctors (idk about lawyers) probably don’t own their own practices, especially with ever expanding health care monopolization. Also I don’t think “produces a service” makes you not working class. In fact the majority of the working class in America is involved in the distribution of goods or the provision of services, not the production of actual physical goods.

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In pretty much all older writing from the days when “bourgeois” was a common term, they are labeled as such.

In Marxist terms, they are generally not wage workers who have their surplus value extracted. They own private practices.

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Id much rather be a doctor or a lawyer than work at a warehouse. I would love to have some fulfillment and passion behind what I do.

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Yeah no way fuck that. Im def not comfortable with that, warehouse worker is not in the same class as a doctor.

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Well doctors are traditionally considered bourgeois, as I noted. But even putting that aside, consider that there are significant differences in “comfort” even within the traditional industrial working class. There are underwater welders who make six figures, for example.

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There’s also the alienation and atomization aspect of capitalism. I am PMC and hella alienated and lonely - it’s not worth it.

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The difference is choice though, I’d much rather be in the material circumstances to choose what safe high wage job I wanted to pursue rather than whether I want subsistent living or a dangerous high wage job. (If that high wage job even exists for where you are in the first place.)

Growing up in a shithole does not put you in the same class as a suburbanite, it cant

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