The United States is and always has been a fascist nation, the head of imperialism the world over. Even if Mao rose from the dead and was elected president tomorrow that would not change one bit.

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That’s historically reductive. America was founded as a progressive step forwards from the sanguine class rule of late-stage feudalism to bougeoise capitalism. Of course as it matured and cemented itself as the dominant class system it moved towards conservative and later reactionary stances as the next stages of socio-economic class relates were developed.

Additionally, colonialism predates fascism by centuries and influenced the growth of the internal ideological underpinnings of fascism. To use an allegory, it would be like calling a Tyrannosaurus rex a chicken. There’s evolutionary connections between the two yet they are distinct from one another in character and form. To wrap it up without writing an essay, America is still an imperialist state in the Leninist sense and has not yet degerarated into a fascist state. The evidence for this is that we, communists-anarchists-socialists-trade unionists, are neither dead in unmarked graves nor in hiding from the state, unions are able to and are growing stronger, and there are no fascist vanguard or mass parties in charge of the state.

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I’d actually argue we have devolved into a fascist state. You have things like suggesting sending in the National Guard to relieve labor shortages (not just break a strike), Biden asking truckers and dockworkers to go 24/7 out of “patriotic duty”, you have airline CEOs openly influencing public health bodies to lower COVID quarantine times for purely business reasons, you have private media companies taking stories directly from the DoD and intelligence community press releases. You have the massive US prison system with widespread forced labor, much of which is in private prisons. You have the overseas adventures justified by flimsy reasons that boil down to “we deserve it/they don’t”. Anarchists and M-Ls aren’t in literal concentration camps, but look at the Steven Donzegar case (contempt of court charge from a corporate judge just for winning a judgement against Chevron). We all know about Gitmo and the Supermax prison system, and we’ve all heard the stern warnings about the coming crackdown on “domestic terror”.

What’s the argument that America isn’t fascist?

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There’s historical precedent for all of those happening before the creation of fascism.

Are you going to tell me that Louis the sun king (can’t be bothered to look up which number) was a fascist because the prison system under his rule used prisoners as free penal labor?

That the free newspapers under that whiny walrus mustached Prussian dipshit Bismark didn’t push state propaganda handed to then?

Go name a handful of countries that hasn’t used the soldiery as labor in their nation, its a common occurrence through history. Shit even the Rus.Fed used their military as cops sometimes.

I’m not knowledgeable about history of capitalist fuckery during pandemics since that’s not my usual field of study therefore I can not say either way, but I’m going to be a debatebro and say if

airline CEOs openly influencing public health bodies to lower COVID quarantine times for purely business reasons

is a quantifiable mark of a fascist state, then by your logic actual fascist states that existed fail to meet that standard.

I’ll also apply that as well to the Steven Donzegar case, since as far as I’m aware that precedent wasn’t made in nazi Germany or fascist italy.

The point I’m making is that unless you’re planning to make a historical blanket statement that everything is fascism, then you should probably spend some time analyzing the differences between fascist states and imperialist states. Portugal and Spain would be excellent studies since they lasted years longer than their more infamous counterparts.

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Slavery started in America after an early attempt at labor organization in Jamestown. In response to striking white workers, they began importing slaves from Africa.

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That’s liberal historical revisionism that proposes that the British Empire, which continued it’s historical support for slavery well after the American Revolution, such as materially supporting the Confederate slavers in their rebellion against the U.S, was somehow more progressive in its economic and political system.

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Read history. The US was built on a mass genocide so epic it inspired the Nazis, just so that they could start slavery so epic it made the Spanish blush, to create a military so epic that it made China sweat, so they could export fascism so epic that no country compares. If you think there’s anything good about the US, you are a chauvinist who buys into the myth of American Exceptionalism, plain and simple. It’s an illegitimate state.

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The belief that America is so exceptional that it is impossible to liberate it through Revolution, to undialectically think the American people are so completely unredeemable, to think that Capitalism in America is so entrenched that it is impossible to dislodged is the position that goes against the analysis’ Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and all the historical leaders of the Communist movement.

The chauvinists for whom the term Stalin in 1929 coined “heresy of American exceptionalism”, being Jay Lovestone’s clique, believed exactly that and were appropriately ridiculed for thinking that America somehow falls outside of reality as the Great Depression illustrated.

The storm of the economic crisis in the United States blew down the house of cards of American exceptionalism and the whole system of opportunistic theories and illusions that had been built upon American capitalist ‘prosperity.’"

Tell me then, who is the exceptionalist? Was Lenin a Russian exceptionalist - for looking upon the history of the genocidal Tsarist empire whom subjugated and annihilated entire nations and tribes in it’d blood-filled eastward conquest, an empire who’s people, to demonstrate the power of their firearms, would lined up scores of Alaskan native men then shot through them with a single round to terrorize them into submission - for wishing to liberate his motherland from the clutches of the imperial mongrels? Why didn’t he simply “Read history” of the Russian Empire and think it was so completely irredeemable that the only thing he should do nothing else but shout “Death to Russia”.

Should we also discuss whether or not Mao was a Chinese Exceptionalist - for thinking that a country who’s creation as a unified region of common language and culture was formed from centuries of wars of subjugation and cultural genocides - for his yearning to break the yoke round the neck of his countrymen? Should he have simply “Read history” of the bloody past of China and completely write off his countrymen as completely irredeemable philistines and instead of writing the book Combating Liberalism choose to engage in it instead?

I’ll finish off with a simple phrase. Before you can learn to truely accept, care for, and love others you must learn to accept, care for, and love yourself - which itself is also a balancing act to avoid narcissism and servicing. This is the same for the international proletariat and the proletariat within your own nation.

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that includes you

:kitty-cri:

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Voting works. Try it some time:fedposting:

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You’re following Georgi Dimitrov’s concept of the United Front by sheepdogging like a thousand communists scattered across 50 states to vote for the bougeoise bluemaga party

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why does cpusa consistently suck so much shit

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The senior positions are held by anti-communist social democrats who were happy that the USSR fell.

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Material conditions. You work within the system, and the system works within you.

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cia/fbi

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The article is literally just pearl clutching about Jan 6. The “admission” of intending to coup the US government is that he said he would pardon the Jan 6 crowd if elected again. That’s it.

But

Suppose he did intend to do a military coup, or steal it Bush Jr. style, or in some way circumvent the outcome of the election, how is voting in the election he’s gonna circumvent prevent him from circumventing it? It makes no sense, how the fuck is voting gonna stop him from changing or negating your vote. What are you even talking about, dude?

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