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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to this if you can, thank you.
Links
Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine
Leftist discussion threads:
https://hexbear.net/post/177324
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/ :kitty-cri-texas:
Twitter military updaters:
https://nitter.42l.fr/RWApodcast
https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary :kitty-cri:
https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet
https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike
https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael
https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518
https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia/videos
obvious disclaimers about taking all of them with tonnes of salt etc
Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413
Better war/propaganda analysis:
https://www.understandingwar.org
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
News updates:
https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html
Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html
YT/Video in Ukraine:
Previous megathreads
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They’re really trying to push this Z hate symbol shit huh? Trying to say it’s the new swastika? God damn.
I think there hasn’t been another year I’ve pulled my Jew card as much as I have in 2022. We’ve gotten to the point that take-havers are openly connecting this military op to the fucking Holocaust. While simultaneously saying it’s worse and actually the Holocaust wasn’t that bad and it was actually the red army that did more crimes and did you know the Russians have a crime gene- er, cultural leaning towards crime! I’m a progressive, btw! :very-intelligent:
Never in my life have I witnessed the hypernormalization of fascist rhetoric on this scale at this speed. Millennial and older comrades, is this what it was like after 9/11? I hate it here :what-the-hell:
9/11 was a little before current political splits occurred, like red state blue state were new terms back then. So back then it felt like liberals and conservatives weren’t as distinct for one thing.
There was a very immediate unification among Americans that all Muslims needed to be exterminated immediately. It was more severe than anything we have now, unless there have been incidents of Russian speakers getting murdered or Orthodox churches getting vandalized. Because that happened. Sikh people wearing turbans would get murdered. The nightly news would be endless stories of nefarious Al Qaeda plots everywhere. There was that completely fabricated story about the giant mountain compound.
Everyone was afraid too back then, like the US was going to get invaded and destroyed within a matter of weeks. The lead up to the Iraq War was a horrifying parade of state department ghouls being given full authority to rile up the public into despising countries they had never even heard of.
Also recruiters were everywhere. Military propaganda in every ad, before movies, in the movies, in the mouths of your relatives.
Yeah we had one of those in front of my school too. The most evil thing we did were flag prayers, where the students would circle around the American flag every morning, hold hands, and pray for the longevity and safety of the USA. It was encouraged by teachers at first, then became a self-directed thing by the students. One kid got featured in the local news for his ardent strict adherence to daily flagpole prayers.
There’s simply nothing like that now that I know of. Post 9/11 George W. USA, like 2001 to around 2007, was simply evil on a level I can’t begin to describe. Social panics everywhere, people getting fired for lack of appropriate patriotism, songs on the radio censored. It was real, real bad. People seem bloodthirsty and fascist now but it just doesn’t compare to back then. People now are more worn out and tired.
Orthodox churches getting vandalized.
This has been happening, although mostly in Canada. Probably because that’s where a lot of Ukrainian Nazis went after they lost WW2.
Someone tried to set a Russian school in Berlin on fire. Luckily it was an amateurish attempt and little damage was done.
The Russian orthodox church in Copenhagen was graffitied with Z-symbols despite having expressed sympathy for the suffering of the Ukrainian people and organising aid for refugees.
I don’t think there has been major violent attacks on civilian Russian targets abroad yet. But we’re getting closer to it the more hate and Russophobia the propaganda machine churns out. At some point stochastic terrorism will happen.
I’m going to anticipate attacks on Russian people and orthodox churches are going to be something mainly in Europe where people might have a better idea of how to even identify Russians That’s going to fucking suck and I’m pessimistic about it since I know some countries are already getting into racist panics because they’re accepting refugees.
Here in the states the most likely to violently attack someone out of xenophobia would be our chuds, except half of them love Putin and the other half think Gorbachev is still president. I doubt either of them could identify the Russian language from hearing it except maybe some of the smarter fascists.
The Russian orthodox church in Copenhagen was graffitied with Z-symbols despite having expressed sympathy for the suffering of the Ukrainian people and organising aid for refugees.
It was vandalized because they expressed sympathy for Ukraine. Nazis and Russian nationalists in Europe are unironically using the Z symbol to show support for the Russian army.
Yeah, this was kind of what it was like after 9/11. America went from not knowing what Muslims were to visceral hatred of Muslims and calls to nuke various muslim countries overnight. The media was in perfect lockstep demanding blood and vengeance. smart people who should have known better turned in to racist warmongers overnight. Displays of patriotism became louder and more effusive, “Support the troops” became an all encompassing thought terminating cliche.
Not related to the fascist rhetoric, but one interesting difference I feel is that post-9/11 mostly had the vibe of “we must respond!! This cannot go unanswered! We will righteously punish them! We will end terrorism!” while this time there’s an undercurrent of “Are we losing our grip on the world…?” Of course, that undercurrent is shaken off but I think it’s still simmering there–even to those who do not subscribe to leftist ideas.
The big difference here is that the US is guaranteed to lose a war against Russia instantly so the powers that be can’t let that bloodlust develop into actual war. It’s going to be the cold war over again, only this time it will be as farce.
Millennial and older comrades, is this what it was like after 9/11?
I’m not that old to remember much from that time, but I remember my math teacher telling me that he got stopped by the TSA or whatever when visiting the US for some teaching conference or something, because he had a beard back then, and they mistook his surname as one of Arabic origin.
This was a Afrikaans guy with slightly darker skin. That’s how insane the fervour was back then I guess.
It’s weird being a jew and having to watch liberals completely erase the history of using ethnic conflict as a tool for protecting the Ukraine ruling class.
Holocaust denialism :unity: Not reading Marx
It’s okay to remain neutral-skeptic. The Bucha massacre is weird the way it is being presented. The Mariupol theater airstrike narrative didn’t all add up, neither did the hospital shit. Nor does 90% of what you will read in MSM. I’m not going to carry water for RU but the way the media runs with these stories with limited information / no rock hard throbbing proof should be raising flags for anyone critical. The burden of proof is on the accuser, but that has never seemed to matter when it comes to western propaganda and consent manufacturing.
I mean Russia invaded a country and there are assuredly mass civilian casualties. What I am talking about is uncritically hopping on-board the consent manufacturing narrative because of muh optics. Don’t fall prey to moralistic individualism, and use that position as a bludgeon, like the Xinjiang shit. Everyone remembers the conversation in left spaces “I mean China bad so maybe they are doing a genocide we don’t really know yet, so lets just put it on the backburner.” As though your opinion or condemnation means or changes anything if Russia massacred a bunch of people and you decided to condemn it first.
This idea that we are obligated to publicly address condemn every single accusation by the western media is wrecker shit 101. It’s the same optics obsessed shit that podcasters concern themselves with, hyper-online-individualism, competing to form the perfect take on every piece of news. We should be collecting available information and applying a critical lens, not drawing conclusions prematurely.
I guess we did have that one person in here saying the most reputable sources are NYT and mediabiasfactcheck that got banned when I asked them to name their favourite propaganda. so thats cool.
Regarding civilian casualties:
From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started, to 24:00 midnight on 2 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 3,455 civilian casualties in the country: 1,417 killed and 2,038 injured
I’m fairly certain the Bucha massacre (and others we just don’t know about yet) happened at the hands of Russian soldiers or mercenaries. Why would any reactionary army be morally superior to the US army? I’m also certain that Ukrainian armed personnel is responsible for quite a few atrocities we may never learn about. This is what war is.
I really don’t know how you can be fairly certain of that. Ukraine and the western media have been lying, overwhelmingly and obviously, so to take something they claim and say you are fairly certain of it seems foolish. So is ruling it out as impossible.
Ukraine and the western media have been lying, overwhelmingly and obviously
Just like Russia. Also we’re talking about a bunch of very incompetent players. A conspiracy this big is a bit too much for them. Photos and videos from locals as well as from international press, intercepted radio communications, satellite images - this is more evidence than what Bush went to war with Iraq over. The massacre is also consistent with how the Russian army behaved in Chechnya and Syria, and with the behavior of Wagner mercenaries in Lybia.
Its happening? I’ll be honest, I did not think the US would be this stupid.
Yes please start WW3 already by antagonizing all your enemies at once and bringing the world closer together against you, what could possibly go wrong.
It’s been postponed cuz Nancy Icecreamfridge caught Covid literally a few hours after this news broke :sicko-flipped:
Honestly dont think much will come from this
I think there are only 2 things that will ensure a military response:
- the us puts missiles in taiwan Or
- the US formally recognises taiwan
Of course I don’t think China will go to war as the first option either, however history is just multiple small steps isn’t it? The whole Russia vs NATO is a series of small steps over decades.
The China vs US conflict is also going to be like that I feel, the US will keep pushing until there is a red line that can’t be crossed and people will look back at the 2020s when the US kept fucking around recklessly as perhaps the point of no return?
they are trying very hard to pry taiwan away from china by reasserting it’s independence
A Danish MSM channel ran an article about a Danish mercenary who confirmed how he had witnessed Ukrainians executing POW’s. Kudos to them for even bringing the story I guess.
But then the liberal clownery started. We can’t have a Ukraine bad story without attaching a “… but Russia is worse”. The article went on to have some sort of expert explain how executing POW’s was illegal “even if they had invaded another country” (ie. even if they were Russian and deserved it) and went on to claim that while the Ukraine was being a good boy and was investigating all claims of war crimes, Russia flatly refused to do so.
The article finished with the same “expert” stating that while all sides could be expected to do war crimes in a large conflict, Russia was doing “systematic” war crimes on a much bigger scale than Ukraine. Of course no proof of that claim was given.
