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Teach kids Marxism tbh. When you look at things systematically and in terms of classes and forces as opposed to individualist Great Man Theory, then you become much less prone to adventurism. Even as edgy leftists, a lot of the people we meme about for going full Jokerfied weren’t actually leftists, such as :dorner: and :a-guy:. Even :jb-shining: was motivated by religion and a conviction that, since his cause was just, God would carry him to victory - and obviously his cause was just and what he was trying to do was good, but he’s not above critique. Many of the socialist leaders we look up to did violence, but it was collective violence with the intent of establishing a new order and a reasonable chance of success, which is a fundamentally different thing. It’s pretty common for mass shooters to think that they can change the world and inspire some shift in consciousness by some big dramatic blaze of glory, because that’s what our media shows and it’s also often how history is taught. Also, Americans have no understanding of what place violence is supposed to hold or when it should or shouldn’t be used. If you tell people, “Violence is always bad,” then of course they’re going to see contradictions there, and we basically just leave kids to figure out how to make sense of these contradictions on their own, but then, most adults don’t have coherent views on violence either, and don’t understand the difference between collective violence and individual violence. The state has worked tirelessly to eliminate leftist orgs, both through violence and infiltration, and through propaganda, and the result of that is that pressure cannot be directed in a rational way to effect change, but instead builds up until it starts bursting the seams.

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Shit… I read that “Essential Works of Lenin” from the Hexbear theory archive a few months ago. I can’t remember exactly what he called it, when people would argue that a random act of violence would shock people to revolution for the actors cause… but he definitely was shitting all over the idea.

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The Narodniks?

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That may have been the group he was critiquing. But I thought he used a term or phrase that meant something like, “The idea that an adventurism would wake up the sleeping proletariat.”

My first guess (I’m really going to have to stop being lazy and dig through the text myself) was something like “revolutionary violence” but I don’t have confidence that its the term he was using.

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In a post revolutionary society there would have to be gun control to help manage counter revolutionary action. Outside the context of the citizens militias people would only be able to own firearms suitable for hunting (bolt action rifles, break action rifles/shotguns, etc). There is pretty much no reason to allow the average citizen the ability to own a semiautomatic fighting rifle in the post revolutionary society outside the context of a people’s militia.

The solution as I see it is gun control, but in a society where such a thing would be equitably enforced. Other important solutions would be education, building functional communities of support, ending the proliferation of white supremacist/other chauvinist ideology, and providing more opportunities for democratic participation in society for young people (students committees at schools, etc). Of course actually improving the quality and availability of health care will improve this as well.

For now? I don’t think this society has the capability to solve this problem. I think they will continue to militarize the police until we will need to pass through an armed military checkpoint ala colonized Algiers to enter a shopping mall or school.

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Use the massive surveillance state to hunt and put down 4channers, or purging intelligence agencies :same-picture:

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do we have limits on what “political will” means. because i don’t think this can really come about without revolution but:

all firearms remanded to community armories supervised by elected militia committees (militias which of course replaced the formal armed forces), guns are released for recreation but tracked & both the militia and some other community body could have the ability to strip individuals of access when say, they’re suicidal or feuding with someone

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