lol what does this even mean?
I think the OP was trying to point out the fact that whiteness is a social construct through historical example of how previous ethnic groups became “white” but totally bodged the phrasing of that.
I mean it’s good historical context to show how much of a made-up concept it is but at the same time I just dunno how useful it is just in the here and now - I think that it really wouldn’t change how those “new whites” feel about the current and historical marginalization of other groups.
According to the author
Maybe it’s how I worded the thread, or how capitalism demands the social reproduction of an individually view of the world. But many people have thought I’m talking about genealogy. When I’m in fact talking about sociology that forces you to shift a liberal understanding of white
‘Who were you before you were white’ isn’t proposing an individualist perspective. More a sociological one that calls to you to learn how whiteness was violently enforced onto the working class to maintain the domination of capitalism and manufacture consent for colonialism.
I don’t really care about this
It’s just not true, really. Whiteness was not forced onto the working class. Early colonizers imported and enslaved their proletariat, which allowed even white wage laborers to gain a petty bourgeois class character by the end of their lives. That is the American dream: white class mobility enabled by an BIPOC proletariat. It’s evolved to have more nebulous racial barriers, but is still largely intact.
The idea that whiteness hurt white prols and black slaves alike is yet another colonizer myth
I think they’re talking about how race was used as a wedge in labor movements in the 20th century.
by focusing really hard, you can regain the mentality of your last non white ancestor who was a Proto-Proto-Proto-Proto-Proto-Proto-Hittite nomadic herder 45,000 years ago in Anatolia and become not white or something i don’t fuckin know
by focusing really hard, you can regain the mentality of your last non white ancestor who was a Proto-Proto-Proto-Proto-Proto-Proto-Hittite nomadic herder 45,000 years ago in Anatolia
nah You could just go back 5,000 years ago to the Proto-Indoeuropeans
https://i.redd.it/a8kbspvesw871.jpg
physical “whiteness” (in the sense of a population-level pigmentation that is lighter than Middle Eastern ethnicities) is only a few thousand years old, and happened due to agrarianism (bordering on lactovegetarianism) in a dark climate (much more need for vitamin D)
You can see the same thing in East Asia, where Chinese people are lighter skinned than Siberian tribes despite living further south–they ate less animal flesh.
However there were some hunter-gatherers in the north of Europe (mainly Scandinavia) that could be considered very close to “white” in terms of skin/eye/hair pigmentation
Here’s the source for that other 3/4.
I am pretty skeptical that you can just trick your brain into not being an oppressor, this seems like a pretty bad idea.
Yeah, chuds also do the BUT I’M IRISH thing. Literally just a vector for them to make excuses for themselves. Also, chuds have co-opted all the cool ancient stuff as fash symbols, so going “back to your roots” as a white person just covers you in symbols that make fashy people want to hang out with you.
terminally online stuff :yea:
what idpol without material analysis does to a person…
MAKE EYETALIANS POC AGAIN!
But no seriously if white people stopped identifying as white that would be a marked improvement in society, but of course :cracker: have no problem simultaneously identifying with this or that Euro ethnic groups, shit you have some white nationalists who consider themselves “part Cherokee”
The problem lays deeper somewhere in the material base of society and it takes more than just twitter threads to change that
Part of the problem is that the ethnic groups white people choose to identify with are often not even real groups in the US. Being “Irish-American” means next to nothing. There’s little to no shared experience or history there, which means it is an ethnicity without a price to pick up or put down. White people in the US grow up with the shared experience of whiteness. Just because there’s no rational basis for the existence of a white racial or ethnic identity being formed doesn’t mean that there isn’t a lived experience of being shielded by whiteness. You can’t just decide to stop being white, because you have lived a life of whiteness. You can just decide to pick up or put down “German-American” or “Ang*o-American”, however, because nothing actually binds them to you.
There is one group, one ethnic identity that has a real concrete connection to the American experience, a group that can transcend the all-consuming bounds of whiteness among Euro descended Americans, and that identity is…
spoiler
G**MERS :only-good-gamer: :freeze-gamer: :gamer-gulag:
The problem lays deeper somewhere in the material base of society and it takes more than just twitter threads to change that
the people with money are white, so they make good nice cool things about whites, so everybody who can do so wants to be considered white. it’s pretty simple
