They’re not relevant in the slightest IRL.
Anyone want to explain why I see so much shit about patsocs in every online leftist space, all of which is totally divorced from things people actually give a shit about IRL?
It seems there’s this trend where some patsocist says something absurd online -> everyone rushes to dunk/criticize/make fun of it -> the patsoc’s message gets amplified to the millionth degree. Do content creators not realize that shitting out 500 videos/threads/posts/etc dunking on something that only exists online is only going to amplify it further?
Eh, Maupin was caught sexually abusing people and trying to form a sex cult. It’s more real than you think. The LaRouchites, in particular, are very, very real. You shouldn’t see the patsocs as a bunch of terminally online losers (which they are), but the LaRouchites adapting to modern politics, which is stepped in online culture. LaRouche himself had connection with the feds, which explains why patsocs, like the rest of the LaRouchites, act like feds as well.
The LaRouchites have been around since the 60s. And they are doing now what they did then: to lead people who understand why capitalism sucks away from revolutionary politics. Unlike more open fascists like neonazis, they cloaked their reaction with leftish sounding slogans. But keep in mind that the original Italian fascists and nazis themselves were cloaking their reaction with leftish sounding slogans as well.
The real danger is the merger of social democracy and fascism into some neo-Strasserite abomination where you get to be a giant racist who fellates the police state and rants about blue-haired woke SJW’s but you also get healthcare and pensions if you are part of the in group. This has a potential to convince huge parts of the population of the west.
That’s also been a huge drain on the American left historically too, where you’ve got all these libertine socdem chauvinists who maybe performatively oppose imperial wars but are most concerned with their own personal safety and their own access to treats. They don’t even need to form a discrete fascist bloc because they’re already bonded to the American civic cult and its fascism-except-it-predates-fascism-as-a-concept nationalist ideology, all it takes is for them to be told that the outgroup is coming for/infecting their favorite treats and they pivot entirely into supporting the far-right establishment.
That’s basically what gamergate did, it scooped up all these chauvinist libertines who previously had been vaguely left of center because it was the theocratic right, the pearl-clutching suburbanite reactionaries, and uptight big-businessmen threatening their treats, and it converted them into frothing fascists by telling them “women are coming for your fun-time treats!”
That’s why the formation of any such bloc of self-serving chauvinist treat lads has to be countered and dismantled wherever possible, because they’re at best fair-weather-friends who’ll eagerly be reincorporated into the establishment, and at worst they’re a festering rot that can flip over to fascism at any moment.
more it disorganises resistance to fascism with promises to some segments of the population. the ““left”” of any fascist movement is immediately cast away when they get a lick of power.
strasserism/red-brownism, it cannot exist in an actual state that needs to implement policy, its a marriage of the opportunists and delusional ideologues trying desperately to get power
To strangle it in its crib so they fuck off and we don’t have to deal with them like we do Vaushites.
One of the main reasons Vaush is so widely known is the hate spreading and feeding the troll and ragebait. The way to make Vaush go away is to stop talking about him, just like it is with Patsocs.
Nah this is completely wrong.
Vaush was absolutely killing it with growth until we started /r/enough_vaush_spam and made an extremely concerted attempt to utterly fucking destroy him.
He was reached out to beforehand by a group of us who began the project, we outstretched a hand and basically said we didn’t give a shit what he did as long as he dropped the sectarian anti-tankie shit as it was just punching left and not useful. When he laughed us off and refused we stepped up, made mega lists of everything he’s ever done and got bots made in dozens and dozens of subreddits that auto-replied to his name with that shit, we trawled through every single discord and every single big of social media he’s ever been involved in and dug out every last disgusting fucking thing there was. We then spread that everywhere, so that the only thing anyone ever thinks of when Vaush’s name is mentioned is what a fucking trans hating pedo defending freak he is. We then moved to spreading it across twitter. We mailed every single person that worked with him all the clips and evidence. We made sure real organisers all rejected him too. Nobody would work with him anymore because his name became cancer.
This stopped his growth in its tracks. He was exploding and would have been a major influencer the size of Hbomb if the push didn’t happen. He was absolutely blowing up at the time.
Can’t speak for the patsocs as I Haven’t been involved in any campaign against them, but I can absolutely vouch that we took a data-driven approach to Vaush and our impact was extremely measurable. It killed all of his momentum. He has admitted this very publicly in mini-breakdowns about it, he knows full well his brand is shot to shit now.
EDIT: I will go so far as to say that Vaush’s rep being destroyed was a Hexbear project, even if it didn’t specifically organise on Hexbear. It was members of this crowd that set about the task of doing it and it was the megathread of his bullshit that was maintained here that formed the start of all the facts bots that were created and spread among the leftist subreddits. Hexbears were the vanguard of that entire shitstorm against him. Also big kudos to Tronaldo who put shitloads into it and is the scrappiest scrapper I’ve ever seen, not without flaws but he knows how to have a fight. He’s doing offline organising for now though.
Do you have like, a chart or something that shows his growth numbers slowing down? I like seeing it as a picture :blob-no-thoughts: I definitely haven’t heard nearly as much about him since what felt like the peak in 2020
He was allowed to pretend to be a leftist for like a year and was featured on fellow channels occasionally, calling himself a Leftcom. Particularly piggybacking on Destiny, etc. All before he started saying the dumb shit.
Destiny is not a leftist, he doesn’t even pretend to be.
I don’t really get what you mean by “allowed” as if we have any control over random twitch channels or whatever
Content creators have content brain where they see dumb shit and feel the need to turn it into entertainment
I guarantee you they don’t think that far into it
I have appreciated the pushback against patsocs and hazites by people here and elsewhere through the use of applied theory to completely dismantle their non-arguments, like the dumb fuck who was saying that baristas aren’t workers and don’t add value because they merely transform raw materials, not realising that the transformative processes that convert raw materials into a finished product are literally the core element of labor adding value. This, in addition to being a fantastic dunk (thanks @Alaskaball ), is also a great way to educate those who don’t know basic theory and might be led astray through the simple tempation of mere redistributive economics along national lines, rather than class lines.
It’s easy to say “ignore them and they’ll go away”, but first things first it’s next to impossible (even if we magically all shut the hell up about it someone else will blab), and second, they do their own self-amplifying if nobody pushes back. The alt-right /pol/ to nazi pipeline went through the same cycle of “ignore-them-and-they’ll-go-away-cum-self-amplification” and they got Trump elected. It’s not to be completely underestimated.
What is probably most true, however, is that their tactic of focusing not on explaining marxism or communism to Republicans, but rather on expressing reactionary politics and then going “See, even us cool communists hate the gays, please notice us sempai”, will end disastrously for them as there is nothing that the MAGAs hate more than communists, real or self-proclaimed, and they will be the first to be violently purged. It will be self-selecting up until they simply claim to be fascists, and even then I wouldn’t rate their chances.
