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Public schooling should be mandatory. The wealthiest child should have to interact with the poorest, the most religious family should have to have a scientific education, the whitest little oyster cracker should have normal interactions with minorities. If everyone has equalised dependence on the system, the standards are raised. If people can opt out of basic interactions with and understanding of the world, reality has no meaning beyond what’s socially constructed by their individual bubble. Parental rights is nothing more than a euphemism for child abuse used by people who want to sabotage their children for life.
:anarchista-chad: :yes-hahaha-yes-l: abolish the religious and private schools!
Also abolish gender segregated schools. Fucking weird having kids grow up without interacting with half of the population of the world
As much as I love this idea, if you actualy had the power to forcibly assign jobs then why bother with capitalism and salaries at all?
It is similar to mandatory military service in some capitalist countries e.g South Korea, even the rich kids have to spend some time in the barracks, changes nothing in the end.
Lots of nurses make that much and more, do we have to go in the fields? The average public school teacher in my city also makes that much, what about them?
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On the topic of “unschooling”, I was “unschooled” growing up, and can definitely say from personal experience that it’s not good. In my case, I was homeschooled (for religious reasons), but once there were enough kids (also for religious reasons) that it took more effort than my parents were willing to put into it, they decided that they were going to start “unschooling” us. In practice that basically just meant that any attempt at education stopped from that point on. I was lucky, the only problem I came out of it with (specifically education-wise) was having to take some remedial math classes in college. My younger siblings had it worse, some of them didn’t even learn how to read until they were like 8-9, and a couple are still years behind where they should be.
Hey I was also “Unschooled”! Thankfully my parents weren’t religious, and I was aware enough of the consequences if I didn’t keep up with the right schooling level so I did online classes. But it was basically up to me to make that all happen, and by sophomore year of high school I was so depressed I begged them to let me join public school, which was the best decision I’ve ever made.
I came out pretty okay education wise, although my writing skills are definitely lacking. The biggest problem for me was the lack of social interaction. Being forced to be around large numbers of your peers every day is really fucking important.
Who the hell is saying public schools are bad? Show yourself, coward!
you go one step further than (borrowing from another comment here) “schools are nothing more than vocational training for prison”, think a solution is abolition, usually the advocate for this is still in mandatory schooling :thinkin-lenin:
Big :cringe: take. I’d at least see the argument having some standing if it says schools are just vocational training to being a wage slave. But prison doesn’t make much sense
prisoners don’t have rights in the same way children don’t. not that schools teach one how to use their rights and live with dignity but they at least pretend you have those outside of prison. in both situations youre wards of the state the state loathes and can’t technically let die but can also force them to do shit & punish them with impunity. and charge you for it all on top of that. they’re very similar imo
the problem with abolitionists is theres genuinely things people in a society ought to know and its the duty of the society to impart that. but this can be done with dignity and without shitty economic imperatives.
There is actually a good point here. Public schools as they are now are very prison-esque with strict and arbitrary discipline, regimented schedules, silence as a virtue, etc. It removes all autonomy from the student and infantilizes them.
I’m not saying that children should be allowed to just do whatever they feel like, but the idea that people under the age of 18 have nothing of value to contribute is harmful to them.
As the person who said that US public schools in my area are vocational training for prison, I favor a public and mandatory education system with no private option
But I live outside of a city in the southern US, where the schools have been methodically stripped of their ability to teach, and I don’t even want to abolish that. I’ve just said the equivalent of, “homeschooling makes sense for some people”
i agree with ‘vocational training for prison’, its a very good verbiage, and dovetailed with abolition because prison abolition is correct whereas school abolition is not so much, and people who go for the latter tend to make an error in equating prisons and schools
Education is good if not for literacy alone, but having a fundamental understanding of math and science is also incredibly important too.
pedagogy of the oppressed should be considered mandatory theory tbh. a lot of comrades aren’t great at imagining a post-capitalist education that is actually focused on equity and education.
the majority of teachers that I know have read pedagogy of the oppressed as one of the required texts in their teaching programs. Not sure how widespread a standard that is, but I thought it was cool.
