This argument would be really cool if it fuckicng mattered. Go to the rally where some chuds agree or don’t. Maybe if a significant leftist coalition could be established in time to attend a leftist voice against the war may get some degree of attention. People worried about it maybe ‘showing we’re on the same team’, it’s a chance to prove we aren’t and the DMC’A Russophobia should be questioned as well as American imperialism and it’s not a right wing platform to have. Sometimes people are for the same rhing for totsllyndifferent reasons and that can’t be pointed out by staying home. If nothing is accomplished at least you tried. I’m not American but it’s an anti war rally for a war you don’t want…so like…show up.
this will bhe the new megathread :sicko-hexbear:
Please tell me this is a parody?
You are now about to witness the strength of political courage.
Straight outta Washington, crazy POTUS named Joe Biden.
From the US givin’ weapons for fightin’.
When he’s called soft, he took his plane aloft
Zelensky’s his greeter, and Ruskies are fought off.
You too, Putin, if ya stay in Ukraine.
M1 Abrams are gonna hafta come and cause pain.
Off to Kyiv, that’s why he’s flying out
For the tough Ukraine fighters that’re holdin’ out.
Pro-Putin MAGAs start to mumble, they wanna grumble.
Trick em and mock em into a political stumble.
Goin off on Fox News like that
With a lie that’s spouted by an ass.
So give it up smooth
Ain’t no yellin when Biden’s got nothin’ to prove.
Here’s a wartime visit to keep Ukraine free
While resisting like Sparta at Thermopylae.
there is no left in America. even the self described leftists in this country are liberals
Death to America
If you hold an “anti-war rally” where one of the keynote speakers is an active duty commissioned officer in the US Army, meaning that the Pentagon could tell them not to go (or explicitly gave them permission to make that speech), I am making fun of your rally, I don’t care what the politics are.
That’s a fair criticism, litmus testing is shitty thing that can harm groups.
But here’s the speakers list for the other event: https://rageagainstwar.com/#Speakers
The highlights are: Ron Paul, Tulsi Gabbard, Jill Stien, and Jimmy Dore. If that’s not raising the wrong kind of red flags unno what to say.
I feel like the American left wing movement is so lacking in self-esteem that they are afraid of even facing the chuds. There used to be a time when communists were so confident in their ideology that they sincerely believed that they could get the rest of the world follow them. But nowadays, it’s the opposite, it’s like they’re afraid they themselves would get converted by the chuds or something if they talk to them.
A lot of the criticisms here that’s directed towards the pathetic bad anti-war rally is motivated by complete insecurity that the good anti-war rally is going to be as pathetic (or perhaps even more pathetic) than the bad anti-war rally. Yes, the bad anti-war rally is filled with reactionary grifters, LaRouchites, and a US psyop officer, but would we really have multiple 100±comments posts if everyone was secure that the good anti-war rally would draw in 60k people? Or would we just have a single post on /c/the_dunk_tank laughing at how the bad anti-war rally are full of reactionary clowns who can’t even organize a decently sized rally?
I saw footage of the bad anti-war rally and it’s about what I would expect: a crowd of like 3k people huddled around to hear a bunch of speakers with bad audio speaking outdoors. Like, this shit here is what people here are freaking out, some loser grifter crying about how the audio sucks? I’ve been to Bernie and union rallies with at least 10 times the amount of people these clowns managed to rope into their shitty rally.
Surely the good anti-war rally could do better than this.
You need to turn the opportunities into your advantage, and not let the chuds seize them.
I agree, but how do you promote and defend nuanced takes in todays political climate? How many times have you been called right wing for including Bidens lack of action in East Palestine? Or being a Putin bot for being against the war in Ukraine?
I feel like the American left wing movement is so lacking in self-esteem that they are afraid of even facing the chuds.
How do you build confidence if you are a POC or Trans or any marginalized group when you are their enemy and your mere existence is a wedge issue and political to them? I’m privileged that I can (and enjoy) doing it. I’m a white, het passing, cis man with a love of rural bullshit. I have a lot of common ground to start with, and it’s still fucking hard and wearing a mask for a long time takes a lot of self discipline and energy.
And ironically, if I were the Deep State, this is exactly the predicament I would want to see. How convenient.
Yeah, unironically yes. It’s a victory of the status quo that we’re demoralized, exhausted, poor, desperate, and afraid to be ourselves in our own homes, let alone with someone who inexplicably hates you.
Fully agree. I enjoy talking with chuds because I can get them to agree on a lot of things and I can sympathize with a lot of their understandings, and challenge them on hate.
A lot of their mentality stems from being shit on by capital. And it’s just about getting them to think critically and challenge the reactionary thoughts.
But an entire struggle session stemming from defending promoting a Libertarian rally is… exhausting.
