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Missed that but someone else got to it I’ve been going through some shit recently and I think this was posted while I was at work
Looks very PSLish, which means probably pretty good
Here in PDX, the IWW is the best org in town. Up in Tacoma ILPS has the same politics as PSL but a healthier organizing culture. JBGC is also strong in PDX and Tacoma.
Good thing anti-war rallies are so effective then.
If they weren’t you might need to judge them by other criteria.
I mean there’s a bit of a gap between “someone who does not 100% agree with you on every single thing” and literal proud boys
There’s also a gap between “We will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian” and “We should not do that”
There is yes, but whatever Ron Paul said on the issue on the rally i’m pretty sure his problem isn’t with the war itself or war in general
That’s a fair criticism, litmus testing is shitty thing that can harm groups.
But here’s the speakers list for the other event: https://rageagainstwar.com/#Speakers
The highlights are: Ron Paul, Tulsi Gabbard, Jill Stien, and Jimmy Dore. If that’s not raising the wrong kind of red flags unno what to say.
Fully agree. I enjoy talking with chuds because I can get them to agree on a lot of things and I can sympathize with a lot of their understandings, and challenge them on hate.
A lot of their mentality stems from being shit on by capital. And it’s just about getting them to think critically and challenge the reactionary thoughts.
But an entire struggle session stemming from defending promoting a Libertarian rally is… exhausting.
You need to turn the opportunities into your advantage, and not let the chuds seize them.
I agree, but how do you promote and defend nuanced takes in todays political climate? How many times have you been called right wing for including Bidens lack of action in East Palestine? Or being a Putin bot for being against the war in Ukraine?
I feel like the American left wing movement is so lacking in self-esteem that they are afraid of even facing the chuds.
How do you build confidence if you are a POC or Trans or any marginalized group when you are their enemy and your mere existence is a wedge issue and political to them? I’m privileged that I can (and enjoy) doing it. I’m a white, het passing, cis man with a love of rural bullshit. I have a lot of common ground to start with, and it’s still fucking hard and wearing a mask for a long time takes a lot of self discipline and energy.
And ironically, if I were the Deep State, this is exactly the predicament I would want to see. How convenient.
Yeah, unironically yes. It’s a victory of the status quo that we’re demoralized, exhausted, poor, desperate, and afraid to be ourselves in our own homes, let alone with someone who inexplicably hates you.
I feel like the American left wing movement is so lacking in self-esteem that they are afraid of even facing the chuds. There used to be a time when communists were so confident in their ideology that they sincerely believed that they could get the rest of the world follow them. But nowadays, it’s the opposite, it’s like they’re afraid they themselves would get converted by the chuds or something if they talk to them.
A lot of the criticisms here that’s directed towards the pathetic bad anti-war rally is motivated by complete insecurity that the good anti-war rally is going to be as pathetic (or perhaps even more pathetic) than the bad anti-war rally. Yes, the bad anti-war rally is filled with reactionary grifters, LaRouchites, and a US psyop officer, but would we really have multiple 100±comments posts if everyone was secure that the good anti-war rally would draw in 60k people? Or would we just have a single post on /c/the_dunk_tank laughing at how the bad anti-war rally are full of reactionary clowns who can’t even organize a decently sized rally?
I saw footage of the bad anti-war rally and it’s about what I would expect: a crowd of like 3k people huddled around to hear a bunch of speakers with bad audio speaking outdoors. Like, this shit here is what people here are freaking out, some loser grifter crying about how the audio sucks? I’ve been to Bernie and union rallies with at least 10 times the amount of people these clowns managed to rope into their shitty rally.
Surely the good anti-war rally could do better than this.
If you hold an “anti-war rally” where one of the keynote speakers is an active duty commissioned officer in the US Army, meaning that the Pentagon could tell them not to go (or explicitly gave them permission to make that speech), I am making fun of your rally, I don’t care what the politics are.
there is no left in America. even the self described leftists in this country are liberals
Death to America
