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”Our proposal is not to freeze the conflict, like how the west wants it, but to end it. I repeat, this is not to freeze the conflict, but for its final completion.”

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Sounda reasonable considering all the situation but western MIC oligarchs won’t let Ukraine take that deal100%

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This isn’t reasonable, this is crazily generous, especially considering the state of the war. Only thing Ukraine lose is places that already publicly stated they don’t want to be in Ukraine. But in that proposition they don’t lose Odessa and with it the Black Sea access, they don’t lose Kharkov, they stay as viable state instead of rump remains, they don’t have to denazify, they won’t have to change government, and the most importantly, killing stops now.

Yeah, no chance their handlers will allow them to agree.

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Nice try Pulter, the walls are closing in and ur desperate. The RuZZan army will collapse as we send a battalion of 70 year old conscripts we kidnapped from a retirement village to capture Moscow. We have enough adult diapers to last them weeks.

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Those are incredibly reasonable terms

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Definitely a reasonable point to start negotiations. The Russians barely hold anything in Kherson, but you don’t start where you want. Otherwise, you don’t have any leeway in negotiations.

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I haven’t kept up with shit in Ukraine well the past few months but this was my uneducated, gut reaction as well. Seems super reasonable.

Of course, they won’t be going for it since their donors won’t let them.

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I was honestly surprised.

Ukraine will end up with worse terms though, since they will reject these.

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So what would this mean for those four regions? Fully subsumed into Russia? Becoming an independent country but identifying as ethnically Russian? Staying Ukrainian but granted some sort of semi-autonomous status?

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The only change mentioned is that they will have troops withdrawn, so I don’t know if Putin is even looking for any territorial changes. Maybe he’ll expect recognition of a plebiscite after the troops are withdrawn, maybe the territories will remain a part of Ukraine. I doubt anyone wants for them to form a nation.

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iirc DPR and LPR are already part of Russia, they would need to do new paperwork on Kherson and Zapo though

EDIT: I did not recall correctly

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Kherson and Zaporozhye are already part of Russia too.

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when’d they pull the legal levers on that, I missed it

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Reddit is going to be insufferable about this isn’t it?

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