Putin goes on to say
”Our proposal is not to freeze the conflict, like how the west wants it, but to end it. I repeat, this is not to freeze the conflict, but for its final completion.”
Those are incredibly reasonable terms
So what would this mean for those four regions? Fully subsumed into Russia? Becoming an independent country but identifying as ethnically Russian? Staying Ukrainian but granted some sort of semi-autonomous status?
The only change mentioned is that they will have troops withdrawn, so I don’t know if Putin is even looking for any territorial changes. Maybe he’ll expect recognition of a plebiscite after the troops are withdrawn, maybe the territories will remain a part of Ukraine. I doubt anyone wants for them to form a nation.
iirc DPR and LPR are already part of Russia, they would need to do new paperwork on Kherson and Zapo though
EDIT: I did not recall correctly
already being reported as “Putins DEMANDS”
I mean they are demands. You make demands when you have overwhelmingly dominated your opponent, which Russia has.
Russia is preparing for war with NATO. This is most likely Putins final public proposal for peace so the world can see Russia is not the aggressor in this situation. Everyone knows they’re making gains on the battlefield and the US has already publicly stated Ukraine won’t be a part of nato. So what is there to really fight about other than upholding Americas honor?
The screaming liberals are always making up a new reason to not accept anything. You tell them this is reasonable and they clap back with how Putin can’t be trusted because they broke the commitment to sovereignty made when they gave up their nukes. The fact that the minsk agreements were broken first doesn’t matter to them.
Cause they didn’t start the 2014 Ukranian Civil War, they’re just finishing it?
The problem with informing yourself with mainstream media. Its like putin just decided to invade ukraine that morning. And he is a crazy evil dictator etc
Russia started the war because the west wants influence over Ukraine, which is existential for Russia. This is something the United States and NATO are already aware of, so the real question is why would nato take an aggressive posture in Ukraine knowing they cannot win a war?
In 2014 a bunch of Ukrainian nazis couped the democratically elected government and started ethnically cleansing the Russian population in the Donbas. Some sections of the Ukrainian military rebelled and formed militia units to protect the population from being murdered by nazis, leading to a low level civil war stretching on for years. Ukrainian nazi paramilitaries continued persecuting ethnic Russian Ukrainians civilians as well as shelling Donetsk and Lugansk
During this time Russia tried repeatedly to conduct diplomacy with the nazis western handlers, the US and the UK, as well as interested third parties such as Germany and France. However, it was pointless as the US never intended to back down and continuously goaded the Ukrainian nazis into attacks on the Donbas, all the while supplying them with money and weapons. When the war seemed to be escalating to the point NATO forces might join in, Russia - understanding that any actual direct combat between Russian and NATO soldiers would lead to a global nuclear holocaust - jumped in with its troops first… after spending three days voting to formally recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR, of course, because Putin is a bureaucrat to the core and these things must be done properly.
And now, the people of Donetsk and Luhansk can live quietly without fear of nazi missiles blowing up their city centers for no reason.
I’m not that up to date, so I would like to ask other people: why now? Has Russia decided that the war is too costly to be worthwhile continuing, or does Putin expect that he has demonstrated that Ukraine could never win a war against Russia? I know he’s proposed private peace deals, and I imagine they had similar terms.
Either way, I really doubt Zelesky will accept peace. This war has been way to beneficial for America. They’ve bought up public Ukranian assets, blown up the Nord Stream, made a shit load of money selling arms, cultivated massively successful propaganda, made Europe way more dependant on them, and so on. Zelesky would probably be being paid a visit from the men in black if he accepted this deal.
my best guess would be that this weekend is the swiss peace summit where they invited like ninety countries but not russia. putting out the barest, most basic sounding demands is an easy play when you aren’t even invited to the current version of peace talks. it’ll make ukraine’s demands for crimea, belgorod, kaliningrad, and billion dollar annual reparations look ridiculous in a few days, if the talks even get that far. you’re right that the west isn’t done, but the west is the one cooking up this swiss conference
Wait Ukraine wants Kalingrad? Shouldn’t that exclave either stay with Russia or go to Poland?
public proposal to cut through the narratives they’re spinning in Kiev, i imagine the expectation is that Ukrainians & especially conscripts will hear ‘lose the troublesome provinces for peace’ and rally to pressure the government. for Russia, a withdrawal of Ukraine’s troops will achieve what would probably take months in terms of territory, despite the ‘Ukraine is collapsing’ hype Russia hasn’t exactly been making rapid progress
They’ve probably been offering this deal privately for more than a year now. I guess at this point they feel it’s been long enough to demonstrate that Ukraine can’t kick them out even with NATO weapons. They’re making the offer public to put pressure on Zelenskyy and make him seem less reasonable with his completely unrealistic hard position of pre-2014 borders.
How well it will work I don’t know.
The real reason is the west has given Russia every reason to believe they’re about to be hit with a nuclear bomb at any given moment. This isn’t really Russia changing their strategy or anything, I see this as more about Russia openly declaring they would rather have peace than nuclear war one last time.
