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The problem though is that there are only three actually independent browsers: Firefox, Chrome, Safari. Two of those are controlled by the world’s largest tech companies, and are created for ulterior purpose. No other entity produces a modern web browser that is independent from one of those three. Any decision that any of the others make that deviates from those browsers substantially is a decision to be left behind. If that Mozilla of the past can not be brought back or reborn elsewhere, the open web is over.

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firefox has been such a non-entity on mobile that I think we’re not really coming back from this, this time.

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Tragic and I’m not sure exactly why. The new Firefox Fenix seems great to me, the old Firefox Klar seems great to me, and the old old Firefox also seemed just fine.

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Does it matter if its a non-entity if it also works fine? I use Firefox mobile and its great.

Of course, if Mozilla dies it will probable stop being maintained…

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I also use it. I’m saying the evolution of internet standards away from the open web will start on mobile and the slow death of firefox on desktop will ensure that the current trends of sites only testing compatibility with chrome will continue until firefox is virtually unusable. it’s not about whether you find it usable or not but its impact on how the web is architected.

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Opera has been based on Chrome for years now and has zero meaningful independence from it.

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kinda funny that there are a million web browsers and they’re all basically chrome, the most daring ones are based on a webkit branch

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Opera, Vivaldi, Microsoft Edge, Brave… they’re all Chromium based.

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lol why tf are lines terminated with CRLF? LF is basically the standard and CRLF is some bullshit Windows thing that devs have to deal with.

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the scope of web browsers has been increasing at a reckless pace for years, to the point where it’s literally impossible to build a new web browser.

Mostly because EVERYTHING (and I mean EVERYTHING) is ran on the web now a days.

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The biggest problem is Google can just announce a change in standards and everyone else has to follow. It’s a permanent game of catch-up.

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That’s also the problem. But banking, eCommerce (which is a part of banking), games (though that’s dying due to Flash, though HTML5/Javascript is doing work now?), and the like all run on web servers/standards to where they go through/render on the browser.

But you’re right: Google has a major strangle-hold on the standards and Mozilla has been slowly losing that fight because they don’t have the money/adoption (anymore) to be competitive.

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I can’t go back to chrome.

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I’ve tried going back to Firefox, but there’s just too many bugs. They also wasted ages “going their own way” only to finally recognise that “yeah ok chrome won that one”, some of these things were obvious, it’s been somewhat frustrating :(

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I’ve had a good experience with Firefox. Maybe I should switch back to chrome?

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