dillo gang?
Drew has some – some – good tech posts. He’s not actually critical of capitalist structures or anything. I have to ignore this and other HN-type takes on browsers or language wars, not because I care about Firefox (or the web, fuck ur SPAs), but because it’s almost on the same level as leftist infighting in how useless it is to waste energy on.
Deciding now is the time to give up on the web? Honestly it’s at least been trash since JS was invented. Using a document interchange format for interactive applications is bad. Letting Google and corporations control the entire standards org is bad. It’s not Mozilla’s fault and saying “fuck you i’ll go build my own” isn’t gonna work either.
Crying about DNS-over-HTTPS (not my favorite implementation of secure DNS but alas)… I just don’t get how techbros can get to being so upsetti about Mozilla. I don’t know if Moz’s statement has been edited since posting this, but it clearly calls out their “search agreement”. Anyone reading Moz press releases knows what that means. FF has always existed at Google’s whim, but it’s really privileged to only care about governance when it comes to tech adjacent things.
An open source browser needs public funding and their exec board is acting as capitalists will. Why isn’t SourceHut / sr.ht AGPL if you want something to be “the shining beacon of open source”?
Open Source is not FSF style Free Software. I get it, we all have to make a buck, and the GPL is scary. But put your money where your mouth is, and just use gitweb on a VPS like me lmao.
Maybe this is a personal attack and someone can let me know about my debate tactics.
DNS over HTTPS is a trojan horse though. It removes user ability to route DNS traffic on their network meaning IoT devices can now break out of the cage I put them in. It also means that corps can now point to their own DNS and inject whatever they want into your query.
Oh for sure. I think that the correct approach is DNNSEC and DoT. I think DoH is really bad, but webshits only know literally one protocol and it’s sending JSON blobs over HTTPS. But I’m not using it as a cudgel against Mozilla, just kind of giving up because the bigcorps are gonna get to control everything we do eventually anyways!!! sad foss noises
The culture wars are so advanced and 3D by now that whenever I see a techbro criticize Firefox, I assume they’re doing it to punish Mozilla EG “go woke go broke” because they fired a homophobic dick and are openly SJW-ish.
Drew is not a right-winger. Assuming so — even when the post doesn’t touch on that at all — is an issue with your intellectual attitude, not anything else.
“Mozilla published a statement siding with Google on anti-trust, failing to disclose the fact that Google pays to keep their lights on” This is so incorrect I’m assuming bad faith. Google is shit but Oracle is triple shit. If the SCOTUS sides with Oracle it will be disastrous for all FOSS development.
How is the antitrust lawsuit related to Oracle v. Google? He is referencing this article which is pure Google bootlicking. Also, it is true that Google mostly bankrolls Mozilla and has for a long time. Their royalties in 2014 were 90% from Google
“Raised executive pay 400% as their market share declined 85%” - this is so incorrect I’m assuming bad faith. Mozilla was paying their execs like 10% of the industry standard, and now pay them 40% of the industry standard. Capitalism is awful but this isn’t an example of incompetence or looting by the ruling class, it was to retain talent.
Talent? At the C-level? :agony-turbo:
At least we can agree that executives, at Mozilla or not, are generally overpaid.
a lot of right wingers shit on mozzila constantly and instead use the proprietary brave, or the absolute abortion (both in usability and performance)that is pale moon
the absolute abortion (both in usability and performance)that is pale moon
Everything about Pale Moon is a complete embarrassment. I’m reminded of this fiasco .
Hello mao person, I understand why you’re upset here, but could you please not resort to direct insults. I understand being vocal against chuds and wreckers, but this doesn’t seem to be the case here. There are better ways to voice your discontentment against bad takes. Use them.
After skimming a few toots by this guy on mastodon, I think he is a code/FOSS minimalist and dislikes the current javascript-ified heavy web and Firefox by proxy and is willing to accept chud talking points uncritically because they support his argument, not because he himself is a chud.
Also, he’s a pretty good shitposter: https://cmpwn.com/@sir/105076234374526664
dislikes the current javascript-ified heavy web
This fucking shit will be harder to extricate than capitalism
I think the focus on webapps has to be because of 1. the profit motive, and 2. the effects of closed source development.
If libraries, dependencies, and everything was open source and software devs were working on things either in their spare time or owned their own production, I think we’d be trending back towards simple and elegant desktop programs or mobile apps.
Under capitalism? No way, just wrap it in electron and ship it.
LOL he literally posted “kill all landlords” alright he’s OK in my book https://cmpwn.com/@sir/105044916635633449
another day another guy trying to re-invent HTTP because the web is “too bloated”, except they’re not even doing something interesting like implementing an s-exp markup language interpreter
I’ve had a good experience with Firefox. Maybe I should switch back to chrome?
