dillo gang?
The problem though is that there are only three actually independent browsers: Firefox, Chrome, Safari. Two of those are controlled by the world’s largest tech companies, and are created for ulterior purpose. No other entity produces a modern web browser that is independent from one of those three. Any decision that any of the others make that deviates from those browsers substantially is a decision to be left behind. If that Mozilla of the past can not be brought back or reborn elsewhere, the open web is over.
firefox has been such a non-entity on mobile that I think we’re not really coming back from this, this time.
Does it matter if its a non-entity if it also works fine? I use Firefox mobile and its great.
Of course, if Mozilla dies it will probable stop being maintained…
I also use it. I’m saying the evolution of internet standards away from the open web will start on mobile and the slow death of firefox on desktop will ensure that the current trends of sites only testing compatibility with chrome will continue until firefox is virtually unusable. it’s not about whether you find it usable or not but its impact on how the web is architected.
Opera has been based on Chrome for years now and has zero meaningful independence from it.
kinda funny that there are a million web browsers and they’re all basically chrome, the most daring ones are based on a webkit branch
After skimming a few toots by this guy on mastodon, I think he is a code/FOSS minimalist and dislikes the current javascript-ified heavy web and Firefox by proxy and is willing to accept chud talking points uncritically because they support his argument, not because he himself is a chud.
Also, he’s a pretty good shitposter: https://cmpwn.com/@sir/105076234374526664
dislikes the current javascript-ified heavy web
This fucking shit will be harder to extricate than capitalism
I think the focus on webapps has to be because of 1. the profit motive, and 2. the effects of closed source development.
If libraries, dependencies, and everything was open source and software devs were working on things either in their spare time or owned their own production, I think we’d be trending back towards simple and elegant desktop programs or mobile apps.
Under capitalism? No way, just wrap it in electron and ship it.
LOL he literally posted “kill all landlords” alright he’s OK in my book https://cmpwn.com/@sir/105044916635633449
a lot of right wingers shit on mozzila constantly and instead use the proprietary brave, or the absolute abortion (both in usability and performance)that is pale moon
the absolute abortion (both in usability and performance)that is pale moon
Everything about Pale Moon is a complete embarrassment. I’m reminded of this fiasco .
The culture wars are so advanced and 3D by now that whenever I see a techbro criticize Firefox, I assume they’re doing it to punish Mozilla EG “go woke go broke” because they fired a homophobic dick and are openly SJW-ish.
Drew is not a right-winger. Assuming so — even when the post doesn’t touch on that at all — is an issue with your intellectual attitude, not anything else.
“Mozilla published a statement siding with Google on anti-trust, failing to disclose the fact that Google pays to keep their lights on” This is so incorrect I’m assuming bad faith. Google is shit but Oracle is triple shit. If the SCOTUS sides with Oracle it will be disastrous for all FOSS development.
How is the antitrust lawsuit related to Oracle v. Google? He is referencing this article which is pure Google bootlicking. Also, it is true that Google mostly bankrolls Mozilla and has for a long time. Their royalties in 2014 were 90% from Google
“Raised executive pay 400% as their market share declined 85%” - this is so incorrect I’m assuming bad faith. Mozilla was paying their execs like 10% of the industry standard, and now pay them 40% of the industry standard. Capitalism is awful but this isn’t an example of incompetence or looting by the ruling class, it was to retain talent.
Talent? At the C-level? :agony-turbo:
At least we can agree that executives, at Mozilla or not, are generally overpaid.
Hello mao person, I understand why you’re upset here, but could you please not resort to direct insults. I understand being vocal against chuds and wreckers, but this doesn’t seem to be the case here. There are better ways to voice your discontentment against bad takes. Use them.
the scope of web browsers has been increasing at a reckless pace for years, to the point where it’s literally impossible to build a new web browser.
Mostly because EVERYTHING (and I mean EVERYTHING) is ran on the web now a days.
The biggest problem is Google can just announce a change in standards and everyone else has to follow. It’s a permanent game of catch-up.
That’s also the problem. But banking, eCommerce (which is a part of banking), games (though that’s dying due to Flash, though HTML5/Javascript is doing work now?), and the like all run on web servers/standards to where they go through/render on the browser.
But you’re right: Google has a major strangle-hold on the standards and Mozilla has been slowly losing that fight because they don’t have the money/adoption (anymore) to be competitive.
another day another guy trying to re-invent HTTP because the web is “too bloated”, except they’re not even doing something interesting like implementing an s-exp markup language interpreter
