On the US side you have a people whos government told them that they’d be at war with China inside 5 years in 2017 - so there’s the motive for the atrocity propaganda (which is a US staple to manufacture consent)

The sources for the 1 million figure are Adrian Zenz a Christian fundamentalist who has written a book about how the jews will die in the rapture, how homosexuals are devils, spanking children is good and oh he also claims hes been sent on a mission by God against Beijing

Oh also hes on the board of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation who count every death by covid as a “victim of communism” and the foundation itself is linked to Cia

On Chinas side you have 22 countries denounce China… Which looks suspiciously like a map of nato. While 54 countries that arent white colonial countries and a bunch of them are muslim countries have visited Xinjiang to see the deradicalisation centres and approve of Chinas tackling the situation

While shitlibs here may moralise about Chinas method it should be understood the US has funded and armed Wahhabist islamists since Afghanistan in the 80s where the funded Bin Laden against the Soviets, they armed and funded Kosovo Liberation Army against Yugoslavia (US had to actually take them off their terrorist list), again in Chechnya before their chickens came home to roost in 9/11 at which point they launched a war on terror which murdered milions of muslims, displaced tens of millions and set up global torture camps worldwide in response

It should also be understood that Xinjiang borders Afghanistan and former army specialists claim the reason for being in Xinjiang is to impact Chinas Belt and road as well as have the Cia fund and arm Uyghurs for separtism and terrorism in China Chinas response on the other hand has been to educate the poor populations they identified as susceptible to radicalisation and pump investment in for them to have jobs on their release

This is such a joke i can hardly put into words but Americans lap it up because critical thinking has been so thoroughly hammered out their heads

Theyre basically automons repeating capitalist propaganda at this point and frankly i would put more effort into this post except for the fact China aint a defenceless middle east country with a ragtag band of child soldiers with Aks

They’ve got a first rate army, missile tech superior to Americans as well as nukes so its worthless what an Americans opinion is

While the Adrian Zenz stuff is suspect, there is actually a lot of very good faith analysis of the situation in China by people who (very much unlike the vast majority of people on this website) speak Chinese, have been to China, and actually want to encourage a balanced narrative about the CCP. A couple examples that immediately come to mind are some great articles from Made in China:

https://madeinchinajournal.com/2020/10/05/china-xinjiang-india-kashmir/ https://madeinchinajournal.com/2019/07/09/good-and-bad-muslims-in-xinjiang/

What these articles do a good job of doing is laying out the basis for current policy in Xinjiang (ie shift the centers of cultural and ideological power in order to quell separatist tendencies, terrorist or otherwise) while also showing the clear geneology these policies have with US war on terror rhetoric and broader shifts in the regime against ‘Islamist threats’. You will often here spouted that Muslim countries do not critique China and most of the critique comes exclusively from the NATO powers. This is true, because the former have clear economic ties with China that they are in no position to sever or put in jeopardy, and the US-backed NATO clique is escalating rhetoric against China. You will note that very few Muslim countries said anything about Kashmir, with the exception of Imran Khan in Pakistan, where the stakes are too high to not say anything. And I very much suspect most people on this chat will not approve of India also pursuing policies to defeat ‘terrorism’ and ‘separatism’ via manipulation of the education system, military occupation, securitization etc. The point here is that we should oppose all ideas that Americans are trying to help Uyghurs or promote freedom or whatever nonsense they spout. But to assume immediately that the opposite (that China simply wishes nothing more than to educate its backward populations to defang terrorism) reeks of frankly a colonialist mentality that suggests that wherever ‘Islamist’ politics is gaining traction, there is no material basis in this politics beyond ‘Muslims are mad and must be put in schools to cure them of their disease’. We must understand the material reasons as to why discontent is simmering in Xinjiang (and elsewhere - it is hardly the only restless border region).

Put another way, British policy during their war on Afghanistan in the 19th century was rather simple: Pathans have a violent, radical understanding of Islam, and the only language they will ever understand is that of terror. In other words, justification for a war program that consisted of burning villages, stealing children and putting them into schools to undo their ‘radical indoctrination’, etc. Obviously China isn’t going around butchering anyone (the initial takeover is a slightly different story, but anyway). But there is something to be said about the commonalities in governmental technologies - you securitize, you transform the educational system, you remake the religious landscape, you encourage migration from the center, etc. Just a quick look at demographics in Xinjiang and how quickly the Han population grew after the 70s will tell you a lot about the state of discontent in Xinjiang at the moment. Obviously there are actors who are under the thrall of ‘foreign’ influence, but if we step away from the discussion of camps and reeducation, everyone in Xinjiang is ultimately influenced by the reality of everyday policies in schools, on the street, racial profiling, etc, including those whose version of Islam is basically going to the mosque once a year to say your Eid prayers.

this thread might have good sources

As a Muslim Comrade, this thread is getting a yikes from me. The deformed worker’s state in Beijing doesn’t deny that there is a massive ‘re-education’ programme ongoing in the region, so please tell me why Muslims are the only ones who need re-educating?