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Firstly based zoomers.

Secondly, for a good time, compare the wikipedias for the blatantly illegal 996 system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/996_working_hour_system

The actual law:

The State shall practise a working hour system wherein labourers shall work for no more than eight hours a day and no more than 44 hours a week on the average.

Btw the recently disappeared Jack Ma was a huge proponent of 996!

Now lets look at the wikipedia for crunch time, since it’s effectively the same thing but isn’t illegal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_developer#Crunch_time

It doesn’t even have it’s own page and the whole section is entirely like “it’s Good, Actually”, because the law says they can do it and they uhhh provide food.

Crunch time has been used in the industry but until 2004 was generally not discussed openly. A 2004 survey by the International Game Developers Association (IGDA) found only about 3% of respondents did not work any overtime, and of those that did, nearly half were not compensated for overtime.

Seems like a pretty widespread problem if 97% of surveyed devs were forced to do crunch. They need to take a cue from the zoomers.

Final edit:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/japan-has-some-of-the-longest-working-hours-in-the-world-its-trying-to-change.html

Nearly one quarter of Japanese companies require employees to work more than 80 hours of overtime a month, according to a 2016 government survey. Those extra hours are often unpaid.

damn i wonder why China gets singled out for the ILLEGAL labor violations tho

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If it is illegal, why doesn’t the party swing the hammer and let it come down hard on these companies?

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i mean, apparently they are if you believe reddit about what happened to jack ma ;)

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One dude, and if he got got it was probably not for labor violations, right?

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Building socialism takes time, but all the trends are in the right direction. Sorry it isn’t swift and pure enough for you, sitting in your computer chair in America.

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Letting capitalist corporations squeeze their workers for the last drop, and that for years and years while the CPC watches on. Such great socialism.

I’m sorry, I’m really not against China or anything(if you want check my post history), but you don’t need to defend everything that happens in China.

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this is what i tell people who ask my why i haven’t joined an org.

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This touches on something that I seldom see brought up on chapo.chat’s ceaseless China wank: it many cases, it sucks to be a worker in China, well beyond the ways in which it sucks here in the US.

It’s not just that they work hard, they work way beyond the optimal times for peak productivity, so I don’t even see how it can be justified as toil in the name of building socialism, especially when people like Jack Ma (🦀🦀🦀) get to be billionaires off of that labor.

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The 996 work schedule is illegal and not condoned by the party. They are working on cracking down on it

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Even if they do, there is just so much power with corporations that not that much is being done.

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So, are you saying the capitalists controlling these corporations are basically more powerful than the party in present-day China?

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it sucks to be a worker in China, well beyond the ways in which it sucks here in the US.

Hey, even China offers state-mandated minimum time off from work, 11 public holidays, on top of whatever the employer gives. No such legally mandated guarantee in the US. Right-to-work is also a massive anti-labor practice, and it’s quite common for people to work way, way more than 40 hour per week. As awful as labor practices are in China, at least work is easy to come by if you quit or are fired.

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America also has higher average work weeks than China. Americans average over 50 hours a week, which is the 2nd highest in the world, below Japan.

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Rank ahead of Australia according to whom? By what metrics? I’m skeptical.

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Since things have been steadily improving for all of my life for China, and steadily worsening for the west, I’d like to say they are on the right track. Western socialism is so individualistic, you think mostly about one worker at a time, but that doesn’t win you anything. As a collective things are getting better, as a collective things are getting done. Nothing is gained without sacrifice. At least with China that sacrifice has made things better for all instead of just a few capitalists. They still have capitalists, like Ma, but that kind of thing has it’s uses too.

Perfect socialism/ communism only exists on paper.

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Can anyone translate “boss makes a dollar while I make a dime, that’s why I shit on company time” into Chinese for me

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老板赚一美元,我赚一毛钱,这就是为什么我在公司时间里大便

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Incredible, thank you comrade

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In general, Generation Z abhors the so-called 996 work rhythm – shifts that last from 9am to 9pm, six days a week – widely expected of employees by Chinese tech giants.

Sounds like a great system. wtf

Regarding the response from bosses, the blogger Massage Bear wrote: “Even if my boss scolds me [for ‘touching fish’], calls me rubbish or blames me for being not responsible, I will just smile and will never get angry. I will never take the initiative to resign. If he fires me, I will receive compensation of ‘N+1’.”
China’s Labour Law stipulates that if a company fires an employee without substantive reasons, it should pay them compensation, which is usually the employee’s monthly salary times the number (N) of years they have worked for the company plus one.

So, how substantive of a reason do they need?

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China’s Labour Law stipulates that if a company fires an employee without substantive reasons, it should pay them compensation, which is usually the employee’s monthly salary times the number (N) of years they have worked for the company plus one.

Holy shit this is literally better than some of the best unemployment/pension systems in the US.

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Which is why I asked the question of what constitutes a substantive reason, because at least in the west it seems corporations aren’t having issues coming up with stuff to get someone canned.
Like for example the often used tool of restructuring that just most unfortunately eliminated a few jobs.
Obviously I couldn’t say if this translates to China, but I can’t imagine their corporations being much different in that respect.

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If their confidence is anything to go by, that blogger at least seemed to believe they’d receive it even if they were fired for slacking off.

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Based zoomers

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