Yes and every single time you mandate it you send more people into the movement, participating in the online misinformation, into Q circles, and into street protests.
They’re not too hard to deal with right now. But they are growing at a rate that is fast enough to be a real concern. It is far easier to beat these people with social pressures of friends, family and the collective pressure of society than it is via authoritarian pressure.
The authoritarian methods should be used only when they can in fact achieve a guaranteed win. In this case we’re just sending more people into the “muh freedom muh liberties” fascist movement that is growing in the UK. It plays right into the hands of a social vs fascist cultural split in society.
There are very few vaccinated antivaxers. The best way to cut down their recruitment pool is to push people to get vaccinated now before they can be indoctrinated with antivax insanity. Anecdotally, a nurse I know says many of her colleagues aren’t vaccinated, but will get it because of the mandate. It’s not radicalising them, it’s having the intended effect.
After the 5th, 6th, 7th jab this will get less and less effective. People will get more resistant as the laziness kicks in, it is social pressure that prevents this. Not to mention that the soft-antivaxxers that decide to lose their jobs over this will radicalise into the far right extremely easily after their lives fall apart. I can predict the “I used to be a nurse” propaganda already and it’ll be really effective having ex-nurses and other ex-NHS doing far right agitation.
the term antivaxer is widely misused. i got the moderna vax, my kids got all their shots as babies, but i am strongly against compulsory covid vaccination. i am also not going to get a booster every 3-6 months. this is not how the vax was sold to the public at the beginning. it has proven to be far less effective than we were told and will require endless boosters.
Yes and every single time you mandate it you send more people into the movement, participating in the online misinformation, into Q circles, and into street protests.
Honest question: is there any evidence for this? I know anecdotes aren’t data, but most anti-vaxers I know who were forced to do it just got mad online for a day and then got the shot.
i know its painful to admit but the vaccines just don’t work very well. they were rushed out by project warp speed, a combo pentagon/big pharma operation. they slightly reduce the severity of a case but do not stop transmission. their effectivness falls off drastically after a few months. natural immunity is by all accounts much more robust and life long. if you are high risk you can take the vaccine. if you just want to be careful you can take the vaccine. if you are in good health, with no pre existing conditions it should not be compulsory because the jab will not stop transmission.
well excuse me for wanting to debate with some good chapo leftists. i come in good faith. i may have different opinions, but i’m talking openly and honestly here.
Vaccines are not 100% effective, but you’re overstating the strength of natural immunity. We have no way of knowing that it’s “life long”, only that it seems to be longer lasting than vaccine immunity. Vaccines don’t completely stop transmission, and neither does previous infection. Unvaccinated people that have recovered are still contributing to spreading the virus, and they could reduce that by getting the vaccine.
Just survivorship bias showing its ass once again.
All the folks who are crippled or killed by the virus just kinda drop out of the denominator for anti-vaxxers. COVID is soft-eugenics for these assholes and if you don’t make it then you don’t count.
And its painfully cliche to say at this point, but things are only going to get worse. I don’t envy anyone working the night shift at the COVID wards in a few months, least of all in a state like Texas or Florida.
We have a lot of evidence now that shows that the vaccines are effective at reducing the spread. They’ve been shown to reduce the risk of infection, accelerate viral clearance, reduce transmission, and have high efficacy against severe infection, hospitalization, and death. A thread on some of the weaknesses of natural immunity. Also, contrary to what many libertarians would have us believe, even most Americans do actually support vaccine mandates.
