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Russia wants nothing of the sort. If you’re not some sad troll but actually believe Russia has “fantasies of removing Ukrainian culture” etc, you are so deluded it’s disgusting. It was Ukraine that has been attempting to ethnically cleanse people of Russian heritage that is mostly what kicked this whole conflict off. Russia has been making sure civilians have a corridor to safety while the Ukrainians have been openly talking about purging the population of Crimea if it were able to take it from Russia (which they can’t, not even in their wildest “fantasies.”)

Russia has wanted to negotiate reasonable peace terms since the beginning of the war, but it has been repeatedly scuttled by NATO/Ukraine, most famously when Boris Johnson intervened to make sure peace did not happen.

All of that is the reality of the situation, but the propagandists and those who ate up all their lies like to project the crimes and failures of their own masters onto their enemy, and we end up with the mirror world that this sorry know-nothing fool believes in.

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That is the official Russian narrative. Do you have anything more than that?

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This is the official Western narrative. Do you have anything more than that?

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It is simply demonstrable reality, I don’t need anything more than that.

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Reality must change to accommodate liberal beliefs.

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Show me a Russian source that says that. Or like, show me anything russian you’ve read. Ever.

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What should Ukraine negotiate for? What does Ukraine get in exchange for territorial surrender?

So far, Putin has broken and ignored:

  • Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation
  • The Budapest Memorandum
  • The Sochi Accords
  • Treaty on the Russia-Ukraine State Border
  • The Minsk Agreement
  • The Second Minsk Agreement

If a new treaty were to be negotiated, why would Ukraine expect Putin to follow it? What would be the consequences if he did not?

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Putin broke the Minsk Agreements, huh?

Anyone who wants to can go find out the truth of that claim and they will find that it was Ukraine/NATO that broke the agreements which is literally the reason it came to war. This was admitted to openly even by Angela fucking Merkel, who said they only drafted the agreements to buy time for Ukraine to build up more arms and continue antagonizing the Donbas.

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The Angela Merkal who urged Ukraine to stop fighting when Russia invaded Crimea? The Angela Merkal who routinely advocated appeasement?

As far as Ukraine breaking the agreement, I assume you mean the accusation of continued shelling? When even the DPR claimed responsibility for fighting as well, claiming Minsk 2 did not apply to Donetsk.

You still haven’t answered: what should Ukraine negotiate for? Given the fact that Russia has broken every treaty on Ukrainian borders since 1995, why should Ukraine trust another negotiation?

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Putting aside the factual errors, let’s just think about the thrust of your argument for a minute. Wars are ended by diplomacy. You’re saying Russia can’t honor agreements (nonfactually, but hey). Therefore, this war can never end. Is that really your conclusion? What’s your expected endgame?

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