Chapotony Chatano here, internet’s busiest hogposter, and it’s time for another edition of “Let’s Argue”, where we’re on the internet, we accept your hot takes, unpopular opinions, and tough questions, and we struggle sesh over all of them. Leeeeet’s, GO!

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Over analysing media is masturbation for bougie college kids

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:angery:

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breadtube in shambles

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I don’t know what that means, but yes

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But media is (often intentionally) propaganda

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As is reading theory and starting revolutions.

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i read theory and i’m about as far from a bougie college kid as you can get

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Yet you also overanalyze media. Curious.

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Calling out people you know irl for being racist is hard. I haven’t had any good results from it at all. Just losing friends and making family members like me less. I don’t think it’s made anyone less racist.

It’s worked with people I know online, though. I don’t know why it works online but not irl. Maybe it’s just me.

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That’s what I’ve been trying to do, but it hasn’t worked for me. Sometimes they’ll agree with me when I’m calling them out, but then they’ll go right back to saying the same things, like they were only agreeing to get me to stop talking.

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I know it’s made friends-of-friends dislike me, talk behind my back, but, and this is the key, they stopped being racist around me.

Keeping that shit to themselves might mean they don’t get less racist, but it certainly keeps them from shitting up other people’s brains.

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Hey you’re not alone there! I just got into this with my actual fascist cousin. I don’t stand a chance at changing him, he’s too far gone. But it does help to at least make him state his vile points out loud in the open.

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Nobody changes immediately. I was shitlib getting canned for woke stuff to I guess bully people and I got called out a bunch before I learned a lesson, and it never happened in the immediate conversation. Happened in the background… In weeks.

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46 points

Anarchism will always be more popular in america than Communism because Americans have a tremendous distrust of institutions but love rebels/underdog

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Lol I teach history

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Then you should definitely read a history book, perhaps even several

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I think the war on terror has reversed that dynamic, now rebels/underdogs are the terrorists and Americans identify more with the state and media depending on whether they support the blue or red team

American libertarianism died with Trump

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That’s why I always start by alluding to being an anarchist but then just dump a broad range of theory on them every chance I get. Gotta have a well rounded diet of radicalism.

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I tell people I am a KMLMWCC, tell them to read Lenin and Hunger Games, and then do not elaborate further.

Has a 50% winrate so far, in that 1 of 2 people I’ve tried it on haven’t avoided any further contact.

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I was actually thinking about the popularity of The Hunger Games as part of my original statement. People like Katniss because she is independent and a fighter; she hates the Capital but doesn’t trust 13 for a second and she is mostly proven right

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Yeah I’m a centrist – I think Anarchists and MLs both have plenty of good ideas.

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h a n s o l o

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I think that just because this is a take that is present in the US doesn’t mean it’s a take caused by being present in the US

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If this website was an actual threat to capital it would have been shut down by now

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the idea of a website being a threat to capital is the fucking funniest thing to me. websites don’t change economic systems, fucking PEOPLE do

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VOTE!

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What if the web site gained sentience and crashed all the stock markets

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and the printing press didn’t bring down the catholic church, but…

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I think the only frame of reference we have for attempting to shut down a website due to it being a threat to capital would be wikileaks.

This is unbroken ground. I see this as the internet equivalent of starting a newspaper, except the modern newspaper has evolved from Lenin’s time when he wrote about the need to do that and has now become new-media, social media sites being most dominant of all.

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I wouldn’t say those were threats to capital-the-system really either. Just the usual threats to money that companies overzealously attacked.

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Sorry, pal, nothing but :LIB: here

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Then we’ll know we’re on to something when they try to shut this place down or coup the administrators.

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I don’t know if I could ever fully trust an American leftist to care about other countries before their own. I feel the level of America-First brainwashing sticks with you, even if you become a leftist. I’ve seen some shit takes from american leftists about foreign policy for sure.

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As a third world leftist, idk why I’m on this site sometimes. This is not a hot take, it’s a top take and it’s fully true. Keep educating them, keep yelling at them to get better etc.

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i just like looking at the collapse of the country that turned my parents country into a dictatorship and my country into a lib oligarchy

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Yeah I try my best to educate. It’s hard cause American history is very simplistic in general, and I find a lot of Americans struggle with more complex histories (like the Balkans, China, etc.) and what to make of it all.

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We are not well versed in geopolitics generally. And when we are, most sources are american centric.

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Absolutely true. If you’re a US leftist and your first consideration on candidacy if you still care about that is domestic politics then you’re blind to the fact that US foreign policy A) matters more and B) will affect vastly more people.

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The amount of ‘why should I care about x-country, it doesn’t affect me’-takes I’ve seen on this website is way too damn high.

Even if there might be some truth to that statement, it is emblematic of a typically American disinterest in understanding others. The rest of the world certainly cannot afford to be disinterested in the US.

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It’s just privilege at it’s finest. Or people getting upset to say even American people in poverty will NEVER understand someone in a third world in poverty. Like your need for healthcare really isn’t the most important thing in politics.

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