Permanently Deleted
And the pay warps the whole “have aspirations beyond those jobs” part, too, because in many cases those aspirations are based on a desire for greater financial security. Conversely, the jobs people usually aspire to are often sought out more for the pay than for their intrinsic value or enjoyability.
Aspirations to do what? Go on vacations? Have kids? Visit other countries? All those things can be provided to everyone under a socialist economic model. People can clean offices and also take nice vacations and attend university and have kids and enjoy nice things if we decouple those benefits from employment.
Being a janitor is undesirable because you get treated and paid like shit, and because you’re expected to work long hours alone.
If your janitor shift was 4 hours a day, 4 days a week, and the other people working in your plant or office didn’t shit on you, it wouldn’t be an undesirable job. It’d just be a job.
Bear in mind a lot of the reason people don’t like those jobs are the bad working conditions and low wages.
Give me decent pay and good, flexible hours and I would be a janitor any day of the week
Plus i assume in a decent communist society, people wouldn’t just take a shit in the middle of the bathroom floor like a psychopath
but it’s really not that bad to clean up as long as you have the right tools (in my experience)
True, but it’s more the senselessness of it that pisses me off
People will still do senseless things in a communist society. They’ll probably do fewer of them, but there will always be some.
I clean for a living right now. It’s not a great job, but the complaints I haveis that I have too little time to do what I want, and that the management keeps fucking us over wither by trying to fix problems that don’t exist, or that they don’t understand. Fix that, and I’d have no complaints.
Also, cleaning ain’t difficult. You could solve it simply by having it be done by people not having anything else to do at the time, before they move onto other stuff. Most of the unpleasantness of any dull job is the creeping dread that you’ll be doing it until you die.
I’d be more worried about finding people to do the dangerous “low status” jobs which require specific competence. But by reducing hours and paying more attention to worker safety, a lot of those would prove more palatable ad well.
90% of cleaning should be done by the people making the mess. That requires an adjustment in our cultural view of labour. Cleaning isnt below certain people, or certain roles… its simply a part of every role. Specialty cleaning, and cleaning of public spaces, would presumably be automated to some extent - and the folks running the machines, and doing the labour, would just get job benefits to compensate for the shittiness of their work like lower than average working hour, or a fancier place to live.
