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What’s a mine? Like a mineshaft?
Like that movie, Enemy Mine
Only it’s a explosive device instead of a hopeful sci-fi tale starring Dennis Quaid and Lou Gosset Jr.
Please don’t be a whoosh
To clarify, I was poking fun at it being mysterious. Because they ARE so common. Sorry if it came off as too legitimate of a comment.
“It’s not fair because all of nato doctorine is based on fighting uprisings without existing state power or militaries”
You see, we are experts at a tactical doctrine that has been optimized to brutally crush the forces of third world nations after a decade of sanctions. I think it’s silly to expect us to be ready to face a foe with as many or more bombs than us, but this doctrine has led us to victory for decades.
I am now hearing that our strategy didn’t even exactly work when recently applied in Afghanistan, or back in Vietnam, and Iraq is a coin toss as well, but what’s important is that we’re experts in it. For example, we successfully reduced Libya to a Mad Max style country in record time, and we’re working on repeating that success in Ukraine.
I love soviet tactics, its literally finding out countering western overcomplicated and extremely expensive wunderwaffen with the cheapest shit
super advanced jets? outfly these 9 missiles that we can replace instantly
Long distance stealth bombers? Attach rocket boosters to a plane that scares the US for decades
Its hilarious
Create a whole naval doctrine centered around carrier’s and their defence? Hypersonic cruise missile that blows it up in one hit, rendering almost 80 years of NATO doctrine fucking useless. Hell, even the DPRK has it but somehow america doesn’t.
Super complicated top of the line tank hailed the world over (leopards), gets owned by dudes with soviet t72s and t90s
“While you studied western tactics and equipment, I studied the mine.”
I’m sorry I’m ignorant but can’t you bomb a minefield to get rid of the mines?
a cursory google search suggests that this isn’t a common practice, but in ww2 both german and russian armies used heavy artillery barrages to clear minefields. here’s some relevant discussions:
specifically:
sort of. The issue is modern explosive are very resistant to sympathetic explosions. A sympathetic explosion is one explosive going off makes another one go off. As a result the bomb or artillery hit would have to be very close. A 155mm artillery round might clear a circle about 3 meters in diameter. So let’s say we want to clear a path for a main battle tank through a mine field though to be 2km deep. We will 3 rounds each about 1 meter apart gives us a bit of wiggle room. and one round about every 2 meters, again just to make sure.
So that’s 3,000 rounds assuming we have rounds that go exactly where we want them. The only round that can do this is the US Excalibur. They come in at a cool 112K a pop. Our mine clearing op will thus run about 338 million USD, and all it gets us is a 4-5 meter clear zone. If we wanted say 3 zones at twice the width, so that one tank dining would not 100% block the zone then we are looking a more Excalibur rounds than the US has and a price of 2 billion.
What is instead used is a vehicle that lunches lines of explosives across the field and then use them to blow paths through.
operations room goes over how this was done in dessert storm.
if this comment is accurate, its no wonder why the resource and munitions-strapped Ukraine wouldn’t be able to use enough artillery shells to clear a path (let alone multiple) through a minefield.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/14ykchh/can_you_use_cluster_munitions_to_clear/
this one explains why they don’t use cluster munitions to clear mines (turns the enemy minefield into a friendly UXO minefield)
besides, minefields and other defensive measures aren’t intended to be impenetrable, they are designed to slow down their targets so that other elements can eliminate them while they are busy de-mining. during the last big ukrainian push, we saw a bunch of western wunderwaffen tanks get taken out by ATGM hits to the side and the like after having hit mines or having stopped to clear or maneuver around mines/destroyed allies.
