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Real talk, this person is deeply disturbed, and they need to grow up
“While you studied western tactics and equipment, I studied the mine.”
I’m sorry I’m ignorant but can’t you bomb a minefield to get rid of the mines?
a cursory google search suggests that this isn’t a common practice, but in ww2 both german and russian armies used heavy artillery barrages to clear minefields. here’s some relevant discussions:
specifically:
sort of. The issue is modern explosive are very resistant to sympathetic explosions. A sympathetic explosion is one explosive going off makes another one go off. As a result the bomb or artillery hit would have to be very close. A 155mm artillery round might clear a circle about 3 meters in diameter. So let’s say we want to clear a path for a main battle tank through a mine field though to be 2km deep. We will 3 rounds each about 1 meter apart gives us a bit of wiggle room. and one round about every 2 meters, again just to make sure.
So that’s 3,000 rounds assuming we have rounds that go exactly where we want them. The only round that can do this is the US Excalibur. They come in at a cool 112K a pop. Our mine clearing op will thus run about 338 million USD, and all it gets us is a 4-5 meter clear zone. If we wanted say 3 zones at twice the width, so that one tank dining would not 100% block the zone then we are looking a more Excalibur rounds than the US has and a price of 2 billion.
What is instead used is a vehicle that lunches lines of explosives across the field and then use them to blow paths through.
operations room goes over how this was done in dessert storm.
if this comment is accurate, its no wonder why the resource and munitions-strapped Ukraine wouldn’t be able to use enough artillery shells to clear a path (let alone multiple) through a minefield.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/14ykchh/can_you_use_cluster_munitions_to_clear/
this one explains why they don’t use cluster munitions to clear mines (turns the enemy minefield into a friendly UXO minefield)
besides, minefields and other defensive measures aren’t intended to be impenetrable, they are designed to slow down their targets so that other elements can eliminate them while they are busy de-mining. during the last big ukrainian push, we saw a bunch of western wunderwaffen tanks get taken out by ATGM hits to the side and the like after having hit mines or having stopped to clear or maneuver around mines/destroyed allies.
Who are we dunking on here? That lemming or NATO? Because the lemming is absolutely correct.
You seem to be under the delusion thats there’s well known solution to mine fields. Russia did a good strategy.
I’m merely stating that Ukraine shouldn’t be doing an offensive against mined areas without air superiority. “NATO tactics” apparently seems to be code for “having more jets and drones and fighting poor unarmed militias”
The lemming is characterizing the NATO training as “superior” despite it being clearly worse for the actual situation.
I think you’re missing their point. IDK how good NATO training is but it doesnt matter. Mine fields and lack of air superiority aren’t “training” issues. They are high level strategic issues that NATO has no answer for.
If your training assumes conditions that are counter to the situation, you don’t have superior training in anything but a highly idealist sense. Training is essentially ingraining in the trainee an algorithm of responses to different scenarios and the ability to reliably execute those responses. If someone is trained to be a world-leading expert in archery-based warfare in tropical rain forests (and just that), characterizing them as “better trained” than a Russian soldier in the context of this war is about as true as saying that a boxer or even a chef is “better trained.” We can theoretically say that there are things that they have more extensive knowledge on than the Russian has on military tactics, etc. but that training has very little actual application and the Russian’s training is completely applicable.
No federation, but aren’t mines a war crime because they outlast the war and hurt civilians?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64855760
There are no mines, it’s all just shovels. The Ukrainian forces step on the shovels and get hit in the face. Russian shovel technology is too advanced for NATOists to overcome.
Accidentally implying the Russians are ubermensch who can overcome guns with shovels to bolster morale.
Once your soldiers fight better with plowshares than swords, you have truly mastered warfare
