Lol I love that pane 3 just skips over all the important bits. “Yeah so I’m just in possession of capital as an a priori part of my existence which you don’t have, please don’t focus on why that is the case, maybe I got all that money from making pie charts really good, who knows.”
Most of the panels skip over very important questions. Mr. Moneybags has some kind of vision, which implicitly seems to mean he has a right to privately own an industrial process. He analyzed the market, which just so happened to tell him exactly what he wanted to hear. Then it turns out none of that actually mattered because he needs the laborer to actually manifest the tea cups into reality.
And yet, despite all the backround capital and investment and research, without that one key element his dream will only and forever remain a dream. It couldn’t possibly the most valuable part of the production process as a result; it couldn’t be!
without that one key element his dream will only and forever remain a dream
The investment capital and research are essential elements, too. The takeaway isn’t that Mustache Asshole Guy deserves nothing. The takeaway is that he should get paid in accordance with whatever actual work he did developing the marketing plan, whoever built the machinery should get paid in accordance with the actual work that went into that, and the laborer on the line working the machine should get paid in accordance with the work he’s doing. What shouldn’t happen is Mustache Asshole Guy getting to take other laborers’ hard-earned money just because (somehow, magically, without any explanation) he was sitting on a boatload of capital to begin with.
Anyone else love how something like 90% of being a lefty is having to contend with lazily wrought strawmen? Love when more than half the burden is getting people to correctly understand what they’re arguing against.
I guess, but I personally struggle with it more almost, because there’s something weirdly demoralizing and frustrating about people throwing out arguments that shitty because they’ve picked them up from chud youtube or whatever. Like, for every one I go through to try and refute, it feels like a dozen more jackasses come to parrot the same anti-communist propaganda.
It depends. The guy (and yes, it’s a guy) who mainlines Ben Shapeeno videos and was president of his College Republicans chapter? Yeah, you’re not going to convince them of anything.
But in a media environment that’s been saturated with militant anti-communism for at least the last 70 years, you’re also going to find plenty of people who regurgitate bad arguments because they’ve passively assimilated them from the background noise and never really dug into the matter. If you get them interested in digging a little deeper, you might get somewhere.
And of course – especially online – there are always the folks reading, listening to, or watching the conversation but not participating. They might be closer to that second guy, but they have enough doubts about a bad argument to not voice it themselves. They might be persuadable even if you can’t reach the first two.
hahaha no one pays for training anymore.
My previous employer sent me for external training once in ten years and it was basically just to keep me leaving for a bit longer. It cost them under $1000.
No this is fair, we can place a value on the bosses initial labour.
once that loan is paid back they can, of course, fuck off.
I want to know more about this magical tea cup making machine. One that doesn’t require any labor to run
Atlas, why don’t you just do it yourself then? If it doesn’t require that much work, why don’t you just make all the teacups without purchasing others labor?
They love painting owners as entrepreneurs, but never bother defending the owner who’s not the founder. Their entire justification collapses when the owner is not the founder, but just a rich leech who bought out the company. A lot of entrepreneurs basically have to go beg these leeches for more capital when they run out and trade huge stakes of their company’s ownership just to keep going. Or they get established and just sell it to the rich for a payout.
Yeah, I notice these sorts love to bring up Henry Ford as an example to try to defend billionaires and CEOs, which, even if we ignore the fact that he was a turd to the laborers he relied upon for his fortune, isn’t an accurate comparison the vast majority of the time, because most of these modern business giants are just some chode that walks in to an already extant company and manages to simply avoid crashing the gravy train.
