Sorry but the man doesn’t miss.

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The problem with the justification for colonizing Tibet as “they were a bourgeois class that enslaved everyone” is that it implicitly opens the door to justify all colonialism for “uncultured” societies.

Aztec slavery
Mayan slavery
Native American slavery

It’s a really dangerous line of justification.

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You’re kinda working on the assumption that Tibet has been colonized here, aren’t you?

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Was it not? I’m genuinely asking cause idk the history that well, but is Tibet not an independent people group/distinct cultural region that was at some point conquered by China?

Edit: bruh I stan China on a daily basis and I still get downvoted for asking a sincere question lol

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I mean, Tibet was conquered by Chinese dynasties a few times in the past dozen centuries and so it’s been a part of the dominant one on and off over those years, but so have many other parts of China, such as the Taklamakan basin and Sichuan basin as well as their respective surrounding mountain ranges, Mongolia, Eastern Siberia, Yunnan (which used to be the independant kingdom of Dali). That doesnt make Tibet colonized, though. Being conquered does not make you colonized. Colonization implies resource extraction, underdevelopment, replacement of the native population, etc. Being a different ethnicity or belonging to a different cultural region also doesn’t cut it, as China is and has always been multiethnic and multicultural, as have been literally most if not all States from the dawn of civilization itself to basically the 19th century when the romantic ideal of the nation-state pushed European countries to unify their citizens under a single identity linguistic, cultural and ethnic identity, something China hasn’t done.

Edit: Oh yeah, and Communist China having ‘conquered’ Tibet is kind of a huge stretch. Tibet was part of the Qing Dynasty and only became an independant, theocratic, feudal country because of British support. When the Communists tookTibet, the Tibetan serfs thanked them as liberators, not as conquerors. Really, only the Monastic land-owning class was angry about it and fled the area a decade later, not because of any real persecution of the Tibetan people, but because they couldnt stand not being the rulers of the country anymore, much like Cuban gusanos.

Mao took away their serfs!

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The history is somewhat complex and there had been times during which Tibet was an empire up until the 9th century after which it splintered, was then part of different Mongol and Chinese dynasties and at times a vessel state and semi autonomous in certain ways. To say the PRC colonized Tibet in 1950 is certainly wrong though, and today Tibet is one of 5 autonomous regions in China which grants it certain autonomy over particular internal matters. Tibet is also 90% ethnic Tibetans and 80% Buddhist.

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Pre-1950s Tibet was it’s own country. Till, you know, China freed it.

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Pre-1950s Tibet was a land of theocracy and feudalism. It was not a nation-state. When the communists liberated the serfs, they were welcomed with open arms by everyone on the plateau apart from the monastic elite. From then on, the multiethnic multicultural state of China would protect the language and culture of Tibet. The right of ethnic minorities to use and develop their own language and culture is written in the Chinese constitution and has been expanded at least 4 different times during the history of China 2002 being the latest I know of, 90% of Tibetans can speak Tibetan, hundreds of millions of dollars have been put into the upkeep of Tibetan cultural sites, such as almost 100 million into the Potala Palace alone, the 160 volume Tripitika was published by the Communists.

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Did you just apply a cultural relativism snowball argument to… Slavery?

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Anointing an avatar of your movement and then expecting them to have the best takes on every single issue under the sun is liberalism

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Avatar is the only avatar of our movement.

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No for you see, you’re simply being too harsh on her. This was simply an oopsie and she accidentally did an imperialism.

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Thats not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying don’t be surprised when an elected official does lib shit. Don’t feel betrayed when they do it because they’re gonna do it.

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Why should a government have control over when a religious figure reincarnates? It makes no sense for the Chinese government to be able to claim authority over the Dalai Lama’s spiritual affairs

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If the Dalai Lama really does have zero grassroots support then what the danger of letting him exist as a religious leader? Unless the Chinese government knows that the Dalai Lama actually is popular and their complete censorship of him is needed to keep control over Tibet?

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Yeah they should

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This is honestly over the edge for AOC. What a disgusting imperialist statement from her. There is no “strategic” value in this from a left perspective. It’s just adding to the Cold War stuff by reinforcing lies. She’s a psychopath.

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She’s a psychopath.

She’s surrounded by people feeding her shit information. That’s how DC works. Someone pulled you into a room and says “Listen, you think you know things, but you don’t. This is a secret report showing pictures of four year olds being raped by dogs. This is a human skull with bite marks on it. This is a spectrometer reading indications high levels of radioactive sarin gas. This is a warehouse full of children’s shoes. We have a moral imperative to stop this.”

And then she’s coming out with strict instructions that she can’t share this information with anyone. She just has to explain why she supports the vote.

It’s a con game that the MIC plays on elected officials, particularly the young and liberal ones.

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Except nobody in the position she is in would believe a single word of that stuff. It would be so naive it might as well be malicious, and I don’t think she’s naive.

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Except nobody in the position she is in would believe a single word of that stuff.

The old myth that you can be immune to propaganda because you’re too smart / too woke / too savvy is one I’ve seen lots of people buy into, with disastrous results.

She’s not the first person to be sucked in by the Deep State Borg, and she won’t be the last.

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anyone know what’s going on with the panchen lama? Western media says that China abducted the panchen lama, basically the vice president of tibetan buddhism, and replaced him with their own panchen lama. Did this happen? I don’t blame them, the Dalai Lama sucks, but does anyone know any other details?

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It’s true. No one has seen him for decades. Look, the Tibetan aristocracy sucked, and that’s what the exiles primarily consisted of. However while good land reforms came, they also came with religious oppression. Even 70 years after the invasion, there’s tensions. One of the egregious ones in recent memory was back in 2003, Tibetan Buddhists attempting to leave Tibet to join the Dalai Lama were shot by Chinese border guards, you can read about the incident here. The 2008 riots are another instance. Things are not good, the government actually denied the 2003 shooting occurred at first but some Romanian mountain climbers incredibly were nearby and recorded it.

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