I fully understand that AOC is not perfect but she’s doing a hell of a lot more than the podcast grifters are.
Folks get mad that libs are doing lib shit but then won’t actually go do out and do anything better.
Like yes, this is some serious lib shit, and it’s STILL more than most of Cha Cha is doing. So instead of getting mad and laughing at the lib, maybe go out and do better.
And lib shit – while it has major limitations – can do real things that would be an enormous improvement for millions. Criticizing it is fine, dismissing it entirely is a mistake.
The ACA was lib shit, and didn’t go anywhere near far enough, but a bunch of people can get healthcare now who couldn’t get it before. Want to know why people keep going back to Democrats despite all the party’s failings? Because Democrats can point that stuff like that, and some mediocre improvements are worth years of promises. It’s the same thing with M4A. It’s not socialism, but if you play electoral politics well enough to make it happen you’re going to have a lot more people willing to support you.
“fuck you = violence”. If you really think these are the people who are going to create real change then you’re dreaming.
Dore has an audience that can target harassment at people, and spreads active misinformation so not only is it targeted harassment, it’s over shit that isn’t even true.
https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1339478371214917632
Focusing on the language of a tweet over a change in how the government operates is :LIB: shit
How reversible is this change? How long-lasting?.. Maybe it matters and this is a victory - but this doesn’t seem like a public defeat of the establishment. It seems like a bone the establishment threw her behind the scenes and may rescind at any moment. The public isn’t gonna engage with this incremental nothing. If it’s a step toward something good - cool, but I won’t believe it until the next step is taken.
Also - she’s a politician. She shouldn’t get language wrong. Good word choice is her business.
I think a reasonable comparison is the DNC rules changes (regarding superdelegates) Bernie pushed through in 2016. It wasn’t the whole ballgame, but it did keep him from getting stopped before he got started in 2020.
she’s a politician. She shouldn’t get language wrong. Good word choice is her business.
I agree, and I agree the whole “this is violence” bit is worthy of criticism. The issue is dunking on that while writing off the good thing she did, that she’s announcing in the same set of tweets. Critical support isn’t just criticism.
fuck off. AOC is one of four people in Congress who are loyal to the working class.
I like her - but that’s BS. Why is she promoting anti-China sanctions/Tibet interventionism? Are there no working class people in China? How does that benefit the American working class?
She’s not a labor leader ala Lula. She’s a cool progressive. But her affinity for the working class is not written in stone.
This post is utter trash and Jimmy is going to have a stroke next show.
Honestly it’s pretty telling how dismissive this site is to the fact that AOC has received consistant harrasment from the likes of Jimmy Dore who flat-out lied and attempted to take credit for AOC being elected in the first place! Jimmy Dore deliberately misled his audience by attempting to pin AOC as some sort of traitor over a difference in strategic planning, and the fact that this site has dismissed AOC’s concern out-right (even though I do agree that the way she phrased it was very Metropolitan and out of touch) neglects that at the end of the day she is still a human being; redirect your hostility and vitriol towards something more productive than just shitposting on twitter and trying to dunk on AOC to seem cool.
A politician got yelled at by a talk-radio show host.
I really could not care less.
The entire Chapo coverage of the Bernie campaign was bullying Democratic candidates.
There’s a large difference between harrasing, imo when its not comradely critiquing someone but vindicatively trying to tear them down (through a targeted campaign by Dore to opportunistically try and take credit for, and thus discredit, the work of many organizers who collaborated to help AOC win her seat) who wants the same end-goal as you (M4A) but differ on specic tacitics, and the Chapo’s roasting of someone like Joe Biden who has never been in allignment with AOC for the same end-goal of M4A. This whole situation has not really made any side look particular well, but the concession made by the Dems recently to forego the PayGo imo has made it more opportunte time to advocate for the Force the Vote and the whole Dore controversy has distracted from this end.
who wants the same end-goal as you (M4A) but differ on specic tacitics
This is literally the same line Warrenites used when she got called out in the primary.
vindicatively trying to tear them down (through a targeted campaign)
By demanding they withhold their vote for Pelosi? It is a targeted campaign to get them to do something.
take credit for, and thus discredit, the work of many organizers who collaborated to help AOC win her seat
Organizers help elect unaccountable politicians all the time. There are people who do not trust AOC.
Wooooohooooo wonkery
would you prefer an M4A bill that cuts Social Security to balance the budget. This rule removal makes that balancing unnecessary
This “rule removal” is pointless as long as Nancy Pelosi remains house speaker, since she re-instated the rule to satisfy her own neoliberal austerity first ideology. Any bill that wants to get a vote in congress has to go through Pelosi so she can simply deny bills that don’t live up to her standard. As long as Nancy remains this is a completely pointless, and quite obvious deal made to allow AOC to save face while offering “progressives” nothing real
