I fully understand that AOC is not perfect but she’s doing a hell of a lot more than the podcast grifters are.

this is good!

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Lol

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Folks get mad that libs are doing lib shit but then won’t actually go do out and do anything better.

Like yes, this is some serious lib shit, and it’s STILL more than most of Cha Cha is doing. So instead of getting mad and laughing at the lib, maybe go out and do better.

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And lib shit – while it has major limitations – can do real things that would be an enormous improvement for millions. Criticizing it is fine, dismissing it entirely is a mistake.

The ACA was lib shit, and didn’t go anywhere near far enough, but a bunch of people can get healthcare now who couldn’t get it before. Want to know why people keep going back to Democrats despite all the party’s failings? Because Democrats can point that stuff like that, and some mediocre improvements are worth years of promises. It’s the same thing with M4A. It’s not socialism, but if you play electoral politics well enough to make it happen you’re going to have a lot more people willing to support you.

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healthcare pls

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“fuck you = violence”. If you really think these are the people who are going to create real change then you’re dreaming.

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Might be true, but the same can be said about the Dore crowd.

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Dore isn’t in a position of actual elected power…

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Dore has an audience that can target harassment at people, and spreads active misinformation so not only is it targeted harassment, it’s over shit that isn’t even true.

https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1339478371214917632

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fuck off. AOC is one of four people in Congress who are loyal to the working class.

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lol

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I like her - but that’s BS. Why is she promoting anti-China sanctions/Tibet interventionism? Are there no working class people in China? How does that benefit the American working class?

She’s not a labor leader ala Lula. She’s a cool progressive. But her affinity for the working class is not written in stone.

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this force the vote on m4a changes nothing for me in terms of my perception of her. yea nothings written in stone, but maybe let’s not turn on the few allies we might have.

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no one who enters Congress is loyal to the working class. some of them are more willing to toss crumbs our way but they are united in their disdain for labor. cori bush could be an exception, pretty excited to see where she goes

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Focusing on the language of a tweet over a change in how the government operates is :LIB: shit

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How reversible is this change? How long-lasting?.. Maybe it matters and this is a victory - but this doesn’t seem like a public defeat of the establishment. It seems like a bone the establishment threw her behind the scenes and may rescind at any moment. The public isn’t gonna engage with this incremental nothing. If it’s a step toward something good - cool, but I won’t believe it until the next step is taken.

Also - she’s a politician. She shouldn’t get language wrong. Good word choice is her business.

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I think a reasonable comparison is the DNC rules changes (regarding superdelegates) Bernie pushed through in 2016. It wasn’t the whole ballgame, but it did keep him from getting stopped before he got started in 2020.

she’s a politician. She shouldn’t get language wrong. Good word choice is her business.

I agree, and I agree the whole “this is violence” bit is worthy of criticism. The issue is dunking on that while writing off the good thing she did, that she’s announcing in the same set of tweets. Critical support isn’t just criticism.

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Nancy brought back these roles in 2018.the gop got rid of them from 2011 to 2018.

So awesome that we got the rules demoted!!!

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