I fully understand that AOC is not perfect but she’s doing a hell of a lot more than the podcast grifters are.
In the Chapo feed there was a short thing from Amber about a campaign to get unions to support M4A. That seems far more important to building pressure for M4A than ForceTheVote because union endorsements are valuable for all Dems. Presidents, in Congress, at the State Level, etc
I agree with all of this. What I don’t understand is how people think the problem is that there isn’t enough pressure on the Squad. The pressure needs to be put on Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of the neoliberal ghouls who are the largest obstacle to M4A passing in the foreseeable future.
I am not criticizing the #ForceTheVote people for pressuring elected officials. I am criticizing them because they viciously attack AOC and the Squad when that pressure needs to be placed on the Dem establishment. When Jimmy Dore and co actively talk about how AOC needs to be primaried and how she’s worse than Pelosi (both are things Dore has said in the last two days), we need to realize that he’s just punching left for attention. If all of the energy put into the Force The Vote grift was put into organized sit-ins in Pelosi’s office, it would be a lot more helpful to our struggle. It probably wouldn’t get Dore the shock views on his show, however.
The fact that people think this is a win in anyway is some amazing :LIB: bs.
The dems have an incredibly narrow majority in the house and are hanging on by a thread, and people think a minor rule change is a win.
Anyway keep protecting your queen, she’s clearly lost all interest in your problems.
healthcare pls
“fuck you = violence”. If you really think these are the people who are going to create real change then you’re dreaming.
Dore has an audience that can target harassment at people, and spreads active misinformation so not only is it targeted harassment, it’s over shit that isn’t even true.
https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1339478371214917632
Focusing on the language of a tweet over a change in how the government operates is :LIB: shit
How reversible is this change? How long-lasting?.. Maybe it matters and this is a victory - but this doesn’t seem like a public defeat of the establishment. It seems like a bone the establishment threw her behind the scenes and may rescind at any moment. The public isn’t gonna engage with this incremental nothing. If it’s a step toward something good - cool, but I won’t believe it until the next step is taken.
Also - she’s a politician. She shouldn’t get language wrong. Good word choice is her business.
I think a reasonable comparison is the DNC rules changes (regarding superdelegates) Bernie pushed through in 2016. It wasn’t the whole ballgame, but it did keep him from getting stopped before he got started in 2020.
she’s a politician. She shouldn’t get language wrong. Good word choice is her business.
I agree, and I agree the whole “this is violence” bit is worthy of criticism. The issue is dunking on that while writing off the good thing she did, that she’s announcing in the same set of tweets. Critical support isn’t just criticism.
fuck off. AOC is one of four people in Congress who are loyal to the working class.
I like her - but that’s BS. Why is she promoting anti-China sanctions/Tibet interventionism? Are there no working class people in China? How does that benefit the American working class?
She’s not a labor leader ala Lula. She’s a cool progressive. But her affinity for the working class is not written in stone.
This is mostly symbolic.
The good news is that there’s one less hurdle facing Progressives trying to pass a GND or M4A during this congressional session. The bad news is that those agendas still have no chance of passing, because the Congressional/Presidential Democratic leadership are actively hostile to that possibility, and this “concession” does nothing to mandate they change that.
At least forcing the vote would’ve had a chance of exposing that hostility to a greater degree. It still would’ve been a mostly pointless gesture from a Congressional faction with near-zero institutional power, but so is this.
Maybe if the Congressional Progressives Caucus votes for more funding to regime change efforts in China, they’ll finally earn the proper respect of Pelosi and Schumer.
