This rule has held true my entire life so far, and has probably been true since the 1940s.
Although i definitely know people who are pro-Palestine and pro-Ukraine and its like uhmmmm lol
Although i definitely know people who are pro-Palestine and pro-Ukraine
Are they actually pro-Palestine though or does their support stop once Palestine actually does anything?
at least one i know for sure is pro-Palestine in all regards, but he also won’t stop libbing out for Ukraine. All he thinks is Russia is oppressing Ukraine and completely ignores everything that led up to it. He said the war in Donbas was a Russian psyop so he ignores it that way. He’s also a big fan of the UN and NATO and claims to be an anarchist of some kind. But he’s anti capitalist as well. It’s really made me lose a lil respect for his inconsistent views. Unfortunately like many people he refuses to budge on those opinions, despite me telling him how they are contradictory.
in my example it’s more like he wants the revolution but thinks it will immediately become a non-authoritarian utopia and we won’t have to oppress anybody. He also wants to eat the rich? it truly is liberal levels of contradictions. Me and him used to just be simple Obama loving libs but he still hasn’t shaken all the lib off.
I would venture to guess that people with these views just don’t know anything about history. I’m still very limited on my knowledge, especially when it comes to Ukraine but I know enough about US Imperialism to be sus of any intervention. Like, I know very very little about the history that led up to the war in Ukraine but I never was vehemently for or opposed to defending them simply because I know better than to pick a side without being very informed about what led to it. But I can see why people would have that position, not to say I defend them having that position.
I would venture to guess that people with these views just don’t know anything about history.
i wish it was like that. its more like they are just some strict 100% anti authoritarian, but they also want a revolution. it’s like the first disagreement ive had with someone that i agree with 95% of the time. it just turns into OH YOU LIKE THE STRONGMAN DONT YOU, so as a result i just avoid my current view on Stalin aka he didnt do as many wrong as the west says he did.
If he likes the UN, is he not convinced by the UN report on Donbas? Tbf there is a way of reading that report as an ‘it just happened’ probably ‘because Russia’ – an event that simply materialised out of nowhere – it doesn’t get into the blame/chronology/historical context very clearly.
they were fake virtue signallers who were using palestine as a rhetorical shield to make them seem “good” and supporting “underdogs” since that’s a Liberal virtue. As soon as Palestine does anything though, that fake support evaporates. A lot of it was probably libs trying to own the online tankies by saying “see Ukraine is just like Palestine!”
A Marxist understanding of capitalism leads to anti-imperialism. Anti-imperialism is understood by detractors as a simple rhetorical dressing over simplistic heuristics like “reflexive anti-americanism,” “history repeats itself,” and “the military-industrial complex needs contracts,” but all of these are reductive. Marxists understand that human political leadership in the imperial periphery, whether enlightened or tyrannical, will only be antagonized by empire for one single possible reason: it is getting in the way of market penetration. This is phrased succinctly by Kevin Dooley when criticizing Noam Chomsky’s support for a military alliance between the Kurds and the USA in Syria: “The difference between [Chomsky’s] position and a hard-line anti-imperialist position isn’t tactical. What he’s arguing is simply a violation of anti-imperialist principles based on a fundamentally different understanding of what can drive the empire to act in the world.” [16]
The accusation that anti-imperialists are unconcerned with human rights deserves a sharp rebuke. The USA was born of slavery and genocide, dropped atomic bombs as a matter of political brinkmanship, imported Nazi scientists and installed war criminals like Klaus Barbie and Nobusuke Kishi around the world to defend and advance anti-communist positions [17], and enthusiastically supports gruesome butcherers today. Simply put, Capital has destroyed innumerable countries and murdered hundreds of millions directly and indirectly. It is precisely a concern for the rights of humans that should make one immediately skeptical of any humanitarian posturing by Capital. Anti-imperialism not only means support for the important pro-social projects of states like Cuba, Vietnam, and China; it also means critical support for non-socialist states such as Iran and Russia. Critical support acknowledges that, though instituting various indefensible policies, enemies of empire are not being antagonized because of said policies. The only thing that can drive empire to act in the world is capital accumulation.
Although i definitely know people who are pro-Palestine and pro-Ukraine and its like uhmmmm lol
I’ve seen people take this stance and it’s baffling b/c of what happened in the DPR/LPR in the last 10 years.
but that was just a RUSSIAN PSYOP so it’s not real and therefore libs can ignore it in their tiny minds
Bit idea: Start claiming that Islamic extremism in Palestine is just Israeli propaganda. Then start claiming “so what. Every country has religious extremists”.
Donbass is literally being genocided by the Ukrainians, and has been for the last decade.
It’s very simple: once all the politicians and journalists involved in lying us into Iraq has been taken out and shot, then, when the people who shot them ask me to support a side in a foreign conflict, that’s when I’ll consider it.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Ive been trying to use this point with liberals but they’re either to brainwashed into loving the USA and agreeing with all of its foreign policy or they immediately label me a right wing trumpet and completely disregard anything I say on any political topic.
Sometimes, SOMETIMES, they’re convinced of the blatant hypocrisy of the US government but then they just get really depressed and end up at the mental hospital.
