More like Jimmy BORE
(argue in the comments, but like, the WWE equivalent of arguing)
Good, we need more assholes, we need someone who can speak to the apolitical hot couch guy demographic, and frankly the only reason people here dislike him is because he’s a mirror, a reflection of our own insecurities and political hangups
He maintains that vibrant political energy while the rest of us turned nihilist because some socdem lost an election 9 months ago lol
We hate him cuz we ain’t him😎
He lied about AOC’s vote on the CARES act and talked about “destroying” her and took credit for her being a success.
He’s a fucking moron and a shitty comedian. Stop stanning him.
https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1339478371214917632
I didn’t claim the man was a paragon of all that is good and proper about the left, I said he’s a goofy asshole who can successfully speak to a certain demographic, whether I personally stan him or not is immaterial, whether you like it or not he’s a pipeline and a successful one at that
And those simps in that twitter thread sure aren’t gonna speak to his audience so even with his asshole-ness he’s still more useful than them
He just yells FUCK YOU to whoever is disagreeing with him on Zoom and that’s annoying content
We need a big tent. But all the content olin the tent must appease me.
He ain’t for you bro. Just like Matt is becoming less and less for me.
I say it’s entertaining, especially when many of the losers he’s yelling at deserve it
in the clip I saw it was just some guy talking normally and the conversation was completely unrailed by Jimmy yelling at the guy while Katie Halper tried to get back to whatever they were talking about. Deeply unpleasant audio
that’s annoying content
Honestly agree to disagree. I think it’s embarrassing that a lib like Dore is the one putting the other smug libs in their place.
I’ve never once thought he was correct when he gets so heated because idk what he’s even talking about. One someone called something “not great” and Jimmy spent two minutes getting real pissed that guy didn’t use stronger words or something. Literally mad that the other person didn’t sound angry enough
He’s dumb. His hatred of the Democratic Party sometimes leads him to stumble ass backwards into the correct take, but he’s dumb.
That’s irrelevant. #forcethevote is a good idea. If the squad were to withold their votes for Nancy Pelosi unless she would allow a floor vote on medicare for all, it would be impossible for her to become speaker again unless she concedes. The rules of the house are that you need a majority of the votes to become speaker (not just a plurality), so it’s impossible for a republican to become speaker as a result of this strategy (like some dishonest opponents are saying).
If they don’t follow this strategy, it shows they’re inneffective politicians at best, or people who betrayed the promises they made when they were running for office.
There is no better time for this vote than during a pandemic when millions of people lost their employer-based health insurance. Even if the vote would fail (the chance of which is less likely now than on any other moment when there isn’t a pandemic), it would be a mask off-moment for a lot of normie-democrats who’re not following politics as intesely as you and I are doing.
I don’t care about the personality of Jimmy Dore and neither should you. So what if we don’t like his rants? He has a platform and he’s using it to agitate for one of the most important issues for the left right now, and that’s all we can ask of him.
Edit: please call or e-mail the progressive members of the house and calmly ask them to withold their votes for Pelosi as speaker, unless she comits to a floor vote on medicare for all. Contact info and a scenario can be found here: https://forcethevote.org/
It’s funny that people will mock performative woke bullshit and then claim this is a good idea lol. The one dude in the dem primary who definitively said he isn’t for Medicare for all of any kind got the nomination and the dem voters came out and voted for him anyway.
Anyone who’s paying attention knows all the establishment dems are full of shit, and their base votes for them anyway. “Exposing them” is an empty gesture. They do that themselves daily, their every action and political manoeuvre shows their true colours.
Seriously it’s a completely performative gesture that will allow cynical actors to pretend like they give shit about M4A while demonizing any Marxist that isn’t sufficiently enthusiastic about it. FFS Kamala Harris was a cosponsor of the Senate M4A bill. The idea that a House floor vote will actually move the needle on anything is idealistic claptrap, pushed by media freaks who are gonna be the only ones to actually benefit from the discourse.
that will allow cynical actors to pretend like they give shit about M4A
Exactly, it’s a free way to avoid a primary in an environment where it’s not going to pass so you can tell the donors you’re not serious about it. Public/private positions.
Don’t forget a large segment of Biden voters think he’s for Medicare for all. In the height of the election when he explicitly said otherwise.
There is nothing you can do to reach those people.
There is nothing you can do to reach those people.
That’s not true. Marx says the working class needs to move from being a “class in itself”, to a “class for itself”, which means that there are objective interests of the working class, but only when it is organised as class, that it will be able to reach those objective interests. Our job as socialists is to escalate the class struggle to make sure that happens. We won’t reach all people at once, but eventually we’ll reach enough people.
It’s funny that people will mock performative woke bullshit and then claim this is a good idea lol. The one dude in the dem primary who definitively said he isn’t for Medicare for all of any kind got the nomination and the dem voters came out and voted for him anyway.
I keep seeing these takes and they are just revisionism bs that leftist are more more saying.
Iowa was stolen
Iowa gave Pete a 10% bump in NH which led to Sanders barely winning. Stealing a homerun from Sanders
Sanders slaughters neveda.
Biden says don’t worry its all about sc
Clyburn comes out endorses biden during a time when a huge swath of the black electorate where waiting to be told who to vote for. The minute he endorsed the polls changed. Sc right before bsuper Tuesday 🤔🤔🤔
People didn’t vote for biden cuz they don’t believe in M4a. People barely pay attention and are looking to be told who to vote for. They where fed the lie that biden is the safe one and ate it up.
The nomination was stolen and yes Sanders didn’t do any thing to stop that steal.
It has nothing to do with m4a.
Like it’s been mentioned in other comments people think biden supports, they just got funneled into him by rigged elections and a msm that ignored Sanders.
People barely pay attention and are looking to be told who to vote for. They where fed the lie that biden is the safe one and ate it up.
Fair enough, but why will some obscure vote on the floor of the house change any of that. The same media and Democratic Party operatives that lied to them about Biden will lie to them about this, and life will go on.
I’m not even saying I feel particularly strongly either way, I just think it’s literally pointless.
I agree with your take, but it would be good to start making a counter narrative about Democrats. That being said, Dems could just pass the house bill and blame Mitch for blocking it.
That being said, Dems could just pass the house bill and blame Mitch for blocking it.
If that happens, the democrats win Georgia, and suddenly a democratic senate would be in the position to either approve it, or stand in the way.
If that happens, AOC and the rest should immediatly announce they’ll endorse primary challengers against everyone in the senate who votes against it.
The one dude in the dem primary who definitively said he isn’t for Medicare for all of any kind got the nomination and the dem voters came out and voted for him anyway.
Because the dems chose their nomination based on “getting the orange mussolini” out, they didn’t pick their candidate based on the issues. On the issues, they’re with the left.
Anyone who’s paying attention knows all the establishment dems are full of shit, and their base votes for them anyway.
Yeah, but not enough people are paying attention. The task of socialists is to organse the working class in to a political actor. If we’re in the business of complaining that people aren’t paying enough attention, we’ll never achieve anything.
On top of that: people don’t only need to know that the dems are full of shit, they need to know that the left isn’t and is fighting on their behalf. The extreme-right tries to show that every day, it’s our duty to not let them win so easily.
The working class won’t come to us out of itself, it’s trust needs to be earned. We can’t be assume everyone is already where we are, we need to build class struggle by keeping on fighting, and growing in the process.
Biden’s nomination wasn’t a people’s referendum on M4A it was capital defending itself from M4A. And the rest of the primaries weren’t even about M4A it was about Trump. Trumps done. That’s not on the table anymore. Biden being elected isn’t even a referendum on centrism, it’s just a rejection of Trump.
Normies aren’t us. They don’t spend all day listening to podcasters and tweeters shit on Dems. They think the dems are the good guys. Dore’s audience reaches people who are not us and that’s okay. There are people who think the Dems want to do M4A but Mitch won’t let them. If the idea is that those people are lost and we should never waste time convincing them, then fine. But Dore isn’t pandering to lanyards and Marin County. Forcing the vote won’t turn Matty Yglesias into a Bernie bro but it might reach some frustrated blue collar worker who doesn’t even know what PMC is.
The real problem is that Dore doesn’t have the aesthetics we like. He’s an older white guy with a problematic past. We don’t like those. And he does the boomer AM talk radio thing which we also don’t like. We don’t like Hannity and Limbaugh and Carlson so we feel we don’t need/want that kind of thing as an aspect of left discourse. If Dore was about 30 years younger and went on Chapo the tone around this would be very different. We’d still be having the same discussion about effectiveness but people wouldn’t be getting hung up on Dore as a character.
People I trust and respect have dedicated some of their time to this cause so I will defer to that and assume it’s not totally baseless or just a publicity stunt. I trust people who have been doing this a lot longer than I have or have had more successes than I have to put their energy in a good place.
There’s not going to be any one-off event that’s going to cause socialism. We’re never going to know the correct string of events that will lead to it either. This has potential to win over some people and I think that’s worth something. It’s not going to bring M4A, which is a half-measure anyways. It’s not going to cause all centrist Dems to resign or get them voted out. But it will provide some people who are not online leftists or people familiar with organizing something to cut their teeth on. Not everyone is going to join the DSA or the SRA or IWW or what have you. It doesn’t matter how good your sales pitch is. So waiting until the moment where a significant portion of people do is a bad strategy. We can’t just go “these people need to join a socialist org if they’re really serious.” They’re not going to. We don’t need them to. If this gets some trucker from middle America to listen more to people like Brie Joy, Cornell West, Nina Turner, Sirota, etc then good.
I don’t think the problem is that Dore is an old white man. The problem is that he’s kinda a misogynist and he doesn’t know what he’s talking about half the time. That would still be true if he were 20 years younger.
Edit: also, forcing an m4a vote has been given way too much attention for the very minimal gains it offers, which is completely separate from whether Dore is involved or not.
Anyone who’s paying attention knows all the establishment dems are full of shit
Almost no one is paying attention. 40% of the country doesn’t even vote. And a lot of Democratic voters don’t know that Democrats don’t actually support M4A. The people who recognize what you’re saying are a tiny percentage of the population way way overrepresented in online political discourse.
t would be a mask off-moment for a lot of normie-democrats who’re not following politics as intesely as you and I are doing.
Would it be though? In November each member of the House was campaigning, and many were actively against M4A
But because everybody was focussed on the “orange Mussolini in the white house”, nobody was really paying attention to those down-ballot races.
On top of that, polls consistently showed that during the presidential primary, democratic voters were most concerned with “electability”. Having a floor vote on medicare for all during a pandemic when millions lost their employer-based health insurance will bring the focus back to the issues, and on the issues, the people are with the left.
In a more general way: the political arena during the last couple of months, was centered around the fight between the radical right and the centre. If we force a vote on medicare for all, we make it a fight between the left and the rest. That would be a fight on our terms, which is exactly where you’d want to be in the political arena: you want to set the terms of the debate.
In a more general way: the political arena during the last couple of months, was centered around the fight between the radical right and the centre. If we force a vote on medicare for all, we make it a fight between the left and the rest. That would be a fight on our terms, which is exactly where you’d want to be in the political arena: you want to set the terms of the debate.
How are we sure it’s going to end up as a big fight? If the vote actually happens couldn’t it just look like the co-sponsor list? The best case I see if it gets more votes than the co-sponsor list but does not pass the House as the Dems have a slim majority. You still don’t know if those votes are sincere or those are just votes to avoid a primary challenger when they know M4A isn’t actually passing
#forcethevote was fucked as soon as it became super online. Also, every video I’ve seen of Jimmy Dore involves him plugging his show and getting mad that some people won’t go on his show. Even if he genuinely believes this, he can’t stop grifting.
Assholes are funny. And a lot of lefties are show just how unfun they are.
https://westwingthing.libsyn.com/inauguration-part-1-wspecial-guest-daniel-bessner
Dave Anthony (starts 23:11):
“Yeah…so I bailed on Twitter. Yeah Dave is really disappointed in all his fellow leftists. People are really fucking angry right now and they should be. That’s justifiable. I mean, this is the time when countries fall. This is – what we’re doing to our population, this is how governments get overthrown. And, you know, Jimmy Dore, people obviously have issues with how he handles himself, but he tapped into an anger and an energy that exists for a reason. And rather than dealing with the actual topic, which is ‘should we do this?’, this is actually interesting debate. It became about the messenger. And I’ve known Jimmy for 25 years. I know where Jimmy’s heart is. Jimmy is actually a very good guy. Jimmy declared bankruptcy because of medical debt and so he has an anger from that. And that’s a justifiable anger.”
“What I’ve seen is the left breaking into two camps, and there are activists and organizers saying don’t do this. And then there’s… But he’s tapping into something and it can’t be dismissed. Because pandemic politics, in history, are like no other time. There is no comparison to pandemic politics and how things work during pandemics. There’s just not. Everything gets flipped and everything gets fucking weird. Things change or powers that be crack down. It’s a really fucked up time, it just is. When someone taps into an energy and anger, you fucking use it. You don’t shit all over it. You just don’t shit on it. And that’s what I saw happening. I just saw people shitting on insta… [Josh talking ] There’s still people shitting on the idea.”
“We’re at a place where we have climate change coming. Ecofascism is getting itself in order really quick. And when you see that anger and you see people getting excited about stuff. I think we’re at a point where we need an NRA and a Sinn-Fein party. We’re in a place where it’s really fucking scary, the clock is ticking time. If everyone just wants to do organizing then you’re talking about a 20 year project. We don’t have that time, we need to hit people with everything we have. What Jimmy did is he filled a void momentarily exists of someone stepping into a leadership role. We desperately need a militant leftist leader. And a guy screaming, he tapped into something. Throughout history it’s something the right always had. That Father Coughlin, all these guys for years, that screaming loud guy, and we need that guy. It attracts people.”
" I tweeted something about this, my brother-in-law about 6 mo was like “have you heard of this Jimmy Dore guy?” and I was like yeah, I’ve been on his show. I’ve known him for years. He goes “I started watching his stuff.” He’s an electrician. A union electrician. And he works on new construction in San Francisco. A lot of sky-scrapery type buildings. He heard about Jimmy Dore, eating lunch with the other construction guys. There’s not a lot of fucking people on the left tapping into that. There’s just not. You’re pushing it all away and it’s a bad idea."
Anthony is no longer on Twitter, which is better for his mental health maybe but I loved watching him melt down over something. He’s good on The West Wing Thing. I’m getting into The Dollop, and has he moved left in recent years or is he less political in general in early Dollops?
He gets overtly more political as you get into it. He’s been leftist since the 80s if not earlier. The Dollop is designed to sneak up on libs.
